True Colors.........

[IX_Equilibrium]

Anyone bashing Pop is a ing moron and needs to get a clue.

[Nikos]

Go to stars like Vince Carter and Walker were recently traded and now are helping their new teams but the spurs do nothing more than settle for role players every year.

Rascal you just lost ALL your credibility with that statement (not that you ever had any). Antoine Walker helps the Celtics -- did you care to notice how he made the Mavs a WORSE team last season? I even seen Mavs fans admit this and even NBA fans who follow all teams.

How the can you call Walker a star when he made a 60 win team with tons of chemistry in 2002-03 to a significantly WORSE team with his presense? Re ed post, and probably one of the worst ones I have seen on this board. Antoine Walker a star. What a joke.

We already know your opinions, the Spurs suck without Duncan and have worthless role players.

So why don't you beat it? Nobody likes your posts at all, and you bring NOTHING to the forum. No one cares about what you have to say, and what you say has NO BEARING on the Spurs making any trades for Antoine Walker. Your posts are s and you only make the message board a worse place to go to.

I would ask you to post some substance, but you are simply incapable of it. You are close-minded and the ultimate pessamist. None of your takes contain a semblance of originality nor do they do anything to advance rational debates on the forum. You bring out a bag of 'I told you so's' to the posters you perceive as homers and expect props for that? Give me a break. Nothing that happens with the Spurs this season will ever prove any sort of brilliance on your part. So do the board a favor and get lost.

[Nikos]

Without Duncan the spurs are a lottery team.

A team full of role players with no one other than duncan who can be a consistent 20 point scorer. The spurs weaknesses are exposed without Duncan. They just don't have any big time players capable of being go to 20+ point scorers who can step it up without Duncan.

Is that all it takes? A 20 point scorer? How come the Warriors and Hawks SUCK with Jrich and Antoine Walker?

Why can't the Clippers win anything with TWO 20pt scorers in Brand and Maggette?

Great point rascal, your a true braniac. All this team needs is Antoine Walker paired with Duncan and a le is inevitable

[smeagol]

The Spurs have not gotten enough talent to even be a .500 team without Duncan.

I'm willing to bet you $10,000 that if you leave this team as it is and you replace TD with a decent big, not a star but a guy like T. Chandler, this team wins easily 50 games a makes the second round in the playoffs.

By the way, rascal, A. Walker is a true star. He shines bright among the brightest of the NBA stars.

What and idiot . . .

[E20]

Rascal and Sequ can't bring nothing to the table except a pussy ass commen that has no meaning whatsoever to it. If they say one thing a million things come into mind on what I should say to prove them wrong.

[TDfan2007]

I'm willing to bet you $10,000 that if you leave this team as it is and you replace TD with a decent big, not a star but a guy like T. Chandler, this team wins easily 50 games a makes the second round in the playoffs.

By the way, rascal, A. Walker is a true star. He shines bright among the brightest of the NBA stars.

What and idiot . . .

@ SMEAGOL

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm willing to bet you $10,000 that if you leave this team as it is and you replace TD with a decent big, not a star but a guy like T. Chandler, this team wins easily 50 games a makes the second round in the playoffs.

Totally Agree.

The Spurs have a of a team talent wise, the thing is, they're all guards.

The Pistons on the other hand can have their best players all on the court at the same time, talent wise, not just the best players in each position.
Ben Wallace, Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Richard Hamilton, and Chauny Billups = the best players on the Pistons roster.

Spurs top 5 best players talent-wise= Duncan, Manu, Parker, Barry(last season version), Brown or Beno.

My point is, the Spurs can't have their most talented players on the floor at once, where the Pistons can...and they still have a nice bench.

[rascal]

I'm willing to bet you $10,000 that if you leave this team as it is and you replace TD with a decent big, not a star but a guy like T. Chandler, this team wins easily 50 games a makes the second round in the playoffs.

By the way, rascal, A. Walker is a true star. He shines bright among the brightest of the NBA stars.

What and idiot . . .

Your a moron.

Just look at the Spurs record without Duncan(1-4 this year and 4-5 last). Although there are not many games to take a sample from I expect the below .500 trend to continue without Duncan.

They are not a 50 win team without him. They are not even a .500 team.

The record shows how good and dominant that Duncan is and how poorly the rest of the team really is and what a poor job Pop/RC have done (with trades and free agency) in building around a franchise player.

[rascal]

R Wallace was another missed trade the spurs should have pulled off last year.


He would be nice now on the team.

[smeagol]

Your a moron.

Just look at the Spurs record without Duncan(1-4 this year and 4-5 last). Although there are not many games to take a sample from I expect the below .500 trend to continue without Duncan.

They are not a 50 win team without him. They are not even a .500 team.

The record shows how good and dominant that Duncan is and how poorly the rest of the team really is and what a poor job Pop/RC have done (with trades and free agency) in building around a franchise player.

rascal, you imbecile. Read my post. I'm saying that if they loose Duncan they get a decent big in return, i.e., T Chandler. Of course, if the Spurs loose Duncan and get NOTHING in return then you might be right. But then again, how many teams that don't have a decent big man are above .500.

Look at the Lakers, for Christ sake! They have your golden boy Kobe, for whom I'm sure you would give your right testicle to see him wearing the silver and black. Look at their record, you idiot.

Look at the Nets with the other player that gives you and Sequ a hard on. They are another .500 team.

So what is your point, you re ed, annoying, sack of .

And why don't you answer Nikos' questions?

You are pathetic.

[ALVAREZ6]

Rascal left due to being owned.

[SequSpur]

Fact: Spurs suck without Duncan
Fact: Hedo and Barry can't play in Pop's system.
Fact: Spurs show constant poor execution.
Fact: Parker can't shoot. He is better inside.
Fact: Manu is not an allstar, he's a fluke.
Fact: Pop knows one play. Give it to Duncan and pray.

[3rdCoast]

Fact: Spurs suck without Duncan
Fact: Hedo and Barry can't play in Pop's system.
Fact: Spurs show constant poor execution.
Fact: Parker can't shoot. He is better inside.
Fact: Manu is not an allstar, he's a fluke.
Fact: Pop knows one play. Give it to Duncan and pray.

I agree with all, except Manu is the real deal

[GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI]

Manu's not a fluke, Duncan is our best player, but i think manu is our best 4th Quarter guy.

[Gummi]

It's great how some Spur fans show their "true colors" now that we're having a small letdown. Pop can't coach and knows only one play (still he's among the top 10 all time), Parker can't shoot (he's shooting 49%), Manu's a fluke even though he sometimes carries this team especially in the 4 quarters and makes huge shots for us. You're making great points, man.

SequSpur, like I said go find yourself another sport to follow cause you don't know anything about basketball.

[3rdCoast]

I never liked Pop. I always was a big advocate of Bob Hill, , I even loved Brian Hill when he coached the Magic. I think Duncan is amazing and to think the Spurs can continue winning without missing a beat with him out falls into the eat my ass catagory. Spurs will be fine, just chill.

[fonzy16]

Fact: Spurs suck without Duncan
Fact: Hedo and Barry can't play in Pop's system.
Fact: Spurs show constant poor execution.
Fact: Parker can't shoot. He is better inside.
Fact: Manu is not an allstar, he's a fluke.
Fact: Pop knows one play. Give it to Duncan and pray.

wow, nothing about rasho? thats new.

[rascal]

rascal,
So what is your point, .

Think a little for once. You add another 20 point reliable scorer with DUNCAN and the spurs are better than a bunch of role players and inconsistent over rated players who don't have the consistent stats that true all stars have.

Two 20 point scorers doesn't guarantee a championship but add another one with Duncan and the spurs are better. The clippers and GS don't have any player as good as Duncan to answer Nikos dumb ?.

There has been alot of big name star quality player movement the last couple of years and the spurs only manage to get Barry, Rasho, Horry Hedo ect. And many of them have been traded for not equal talent in return and the spurs always settle for role players.

Now Duncan is out and the true talent level of the team comes out.

[FromWayDowntown]

Fine, they need another all-star. Who exactly would you give up to get said star? You basically have two tradeable commodities not named Tim and a few contracts that can be used as filler. Go back to the beginning of this season and structure a reasonable deal (keeping in mind contractual constraints and cap space, of course) to get Vince Carter (who's next big-time performance in a big game will be his first) or Antoine Walker or Rasheed Wallace, or whoever else you think the Spurs should have acquired.

If you can't bring a plausible solution, you're just ing.

[Nikos]

Two 20 point scorers doesn't guarantee a championship but add another one with Duncan and the spurs are better. The clippers and GS don't have any player as good as Duncan to answer Nikos dumb ?.

Dumb question? Well you act as though Parker and Ginobili are not worthy compliments because they don't score 20ppg consistently without Tim. But what you fail to realize is that 20 pt scorers by themselves with reasonable role players are also lottery bound teams. You simply dismiss the Spurs backcourt as being mediocre because they cannot score 20ppg for this team.

My point rascal: Not all 20pt scorers are efficient and as good as the basic stats show. Some guys score 20pts on 17 shots, and thus would not benefit the Spurs anymore than the current backcourt.

If we are talking about McGrady, Ray Allen, or Vince Carter then maybe its a different story if Carter stayed healthy and melded himself in unselfishly.

But your love for any random black 20pt scorer is senseless. Jason Richardson and/or Maggette taking place of Parker and Ginobili would not benefit the team anymore just because they can score 20 meaningless points on poor teams. You have no basis for thinking their presense would even make the Spurs any better if you replace a 20pt scorer on a horrible team for Parker and or Ginobili.

Duncan+Richardson and three mediocre role players is no better than what the team has now. Ditto for Maggette+Duncan and what the team has now (minus our backcourt).

I just don't understand your hard on for just any 20pt scorer.

The Spurs have two 16pt scorers doing it efficiently. Heck Duncan isn't even getting major minutes, and team has a 10ppg winning differential.

Honestly who cares if they lose a few games without Duncan. You think the Heat are any better without Shaq? They would not do crap out West either.

Open your eyes and recognize the Spurs are not owed a championship, and Duncan +any random 20pt scorer does not automatically yield a le. Realize that this team does have solid supporting talent. It isn't perfect, but neither was the support for a lot of star players over the years (Drob, Hakeem).

Even when Shaq had solid talent around him, he lost badly in several playoff series. Until he got Kobe Bryant (who is a top 5-6 player in the league, not JUST a 20pt scorer, but a HOF talent.) Jason Richardson, Maggette, Sprewell etc... are not and were not hall of fame talents. So don't be so quick to assume Duncan + lottery bound 20pt scorer/leader of a team wins a le.

[DuncanMVP]

Fact: Spurs suck without Duncan
Fact: Hedo and Barry can't play in Pop's system.
Fact: Spurs show constant poor execution.
Fact: Parker can't shoot. He is better inside.
Fact: Manu is not an allstar, he's a fluke.
Fact: Pop knows one play. Give it to Duncan and pray.

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[ALVAREZ6]

Rascal you're not considering everything dude.

Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are both capable of averaging 20 points per game. The reason they don't is the Spurs have a lot of offensive weapons that come off the bench. It's hard to have a lot of big scorers on one team, it doesn't always work. You are overrating the idea of adding a 20 point scorer...WTF does a player that averages 20 points bring? The Spurs average the points as a team.
Think about it, if you have a bunch of options on an offense, not every player is going to average 20 points. The Spurs as a team are fine offensively, so bringing another "20 point scorer" would just take away from other players' points, and you would have to trade either Manu or Tony, and why? Tony is a great PG that is learning as he gets older, and Manu is a good SG that plays good defense.

"Don't carry all of your eggs in one basket."
What that means is if you split your points up over more players, then as a team you will be more consistent.

If you just have two 20 point scores, then if one of the players is injured, or is having an off night, your team struggles. The team would be less consistent.

[ALVAREZ6]

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You're wrong on pretty much everything dude.

[GrandeDavid]

I don`t recall Pop missing any of those shots or throwing the ball away a ridiculous 13 times in the second half. If anything, I think Pop is gonna help this team starting tonight. I`m expecting more defensive focus and more movement on offense against Indiana. While I was pretty much disgusted by the Spurs` performace against New York, I`m willing to chalk it up to the playing without Tim learning curve. Time will tell if I am right, but I think that the Spurs will more than hold their own while Tim is out.

Finally, before I called out Pop, I`d call out Tony Parker from disappearing after the first quarter for whatever reason.

[GrandeDavid]

Nikos, great argument and I agree with you!