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Agreed. I like Nocioni, but he and RJ play the same position. Plus, if Sacramento really wants to move him they can do a lot better than some expiring contracts.
Slow down people. Take a breath. Nocioni doesn't provide what the team already has in it's roster now. Don't get me wrong...I've always liked him...but really...how would he fit any differently than with who the team has now?
You're asking that the Spurs give up expiring contracts for what...a player that essentially gives you the same thing only to have to be committed to that player longer than who we would give up?
If this trade scenario was for a proven b/u PG I might just agree. Too bad Ramon Sessions wasn't a target...he signed with the T-wolves for just a little over 4 mil per. That would have been a great deal.
Agreed. I like Nocioni, but he and RJ play the same position. Plus, if Sacramento really wants to move him they can do a lot better than some expiring contracts.
Not really. Nocioni is a dead weight contract at this point. Expirings are all that are needed.
They can get expirings from teams that also have draft picks or players that Sacramento can use beyond this year. They don't have to settle for whatever Finley/Bonner package the Spurs can come up with. Now if the Spurs were willing to toss in Hill, then they might get the Kings attention.
How would Hill get the Kings' attention? The Tyreke Evans experiment has not even started yet.
Doesn't matter. Hill is an asset and Sacramento is a team in dire need of assets.
Mason/ Finley/ Mahimni would be enough to lure Nocioni from Sac.
No it wouldn't. Finley and Mason are gone in a year and no one, Spurs included, know if Mahinmi can play.
You have your opinion and I have mine.
Sacramento would have Mason's bird rights and Mahimni is about to be only 23 years old and has shown signs of real NBA potential by making all D-League 1st team a year ago.
If you put Mahimni in last years draft being that he's 22 he would have gone in the top 7 above Jordan Hill.
Because he can do everything well ( Something none of our wings that are relevent outside of RJ and Manu can do), including shooting the 3 pointer.
Nocioni can defend, rebound, contest shots, hit the 3 pointer, create off the dribble, remain active on the defensive end in passing lanes and from weakside defense, and is active off the ball offensively. Not to mention he competes on both ends of the floor with a tenacity this team lacked in recent years.
On the other hand Mason brings spot up shooting and the ability to take a one or two dribble pull up in screen and roll opportunities against lazy and pathetic teams ( when they go under the screen non-chalontly ( the good teams hedge or go over the screen and make Mason pass or force him to put it on the floor, which lead to turnovers). Mason can't do anything else well. Same goes for Finley. Bogans can defend but with Mason and Finley here he's irrelevant because he won't see the floor with Mason and Finley here. Same goes for Hairston and Williams.
Spurs don't need a back up PG. And why would you use your trading assets for a guy that will only see 14 minutes at the most a game? George Hill is more than able to play the PG position 13-16 minutes a game.
I'm pretty sure Pop and R.C agree with this by spending the past 2-3 months trading/ drafting/ signing players that don't play the PG position. ( And no Jerrells( training camp fodder) doesn't count). That all indicates the PG position is fine with Tony playing 33-35 minutes and Hill providing him rest 12-16 minutes a game.
Pop and R.C's actions make your point a failure with all due respect.
Last edited by MaNu4Tres; 09-26-2009 at 12:24 AM.
Sacramento is going to have cap space next offseason and hanging on to Mason's Bird rights would just eat into their capspace. They'd renounce Mason.
And Mahinmi as a top 7 draft pick???Mahinmi doesn't have near the skills that Jordan HIll has.
And Sacramento would have 7.5 million more in capspace if this deal would be done. And your overrating Jordan Hill. Mahimni would have been a higher pick than him if he was in last years draft.Sacramento is going to have cap space next offseason and hanging on to Mason's Bird rights would just eat into their capspace. They'd renounce Mason.
And Mahinmi as a top 7 draft pick???
I think the Kings would really consider Mason/ Finley/ Mahimni. They definitely wouldn't hang up right away.
Fair enough. Agree to disagree. I think if that if a deal like that was all that it would take to get Nocioni out of Sacramento he would have been moved a long time ago.
Teams out of le contention usually value expiring contracts more so than just adding similiar talent that takes up the same cap space because it would just be a sideways move for the business side of things and for the standings.
Teams out of contention tend to want to shed salary asap to for rebuilding reasons. That has become apparent for many lottery teams basically trading quality players for expirings.
At the same time the only teams that want to really add on salary are teams that have a leginament shot at a le. You didn't see players with a high salary or an expensive salary with multiple years left being traded from lottery teams to lottery teams. (except the from the idiot in Memphis who got laughed at by his peers on ESPN, FOX, ect for basically contradicting himself from trading Gasol for nothing then to using Gasol's salary to trade some expirings for the biggest ball hog at the PF position.)
I'd like to have Nocioni on the Spurs but he wouldn't solve any of our problems, I'd much rather use our trade assets in a good bigman.
You just don't get it. Outside of a few le contenders, NO ONE is taking on longer contracts than they are giving out.
Sacramento just got turned down for an NCAA regional. So, their arena is substandard, their team is substandard, and they are hemorrhaging money. They need contract offloadage, and now. There are rumors they may have to move.
Agreed.. We already have RJ, Bogans, Fin (if not traded), and Hairston at that spot. If we can get another quality big man, we are good to go...
I think Timmy/Dice/Blair/Ian/Bonner/Haislip/Theo work for the big department, as long as one or the two new guys (by new I mean young) work out. If Finley/Bonner got traded for Noc, I believe the Spurs could only benefit. I'd throw Williams in there, but everyone here has me terrified MW is pretty much a given if it comes down to him and Hairston.
A Bonner/(Finley or Mason) trade is likely here.
A win win for both teams. The Kings unload cap space, we get a more versatile player than any of these one dimensional players.
We'll just have to wait and see whether or not the Kings end up giving away Nocioni for nothing more than expiring contracts.
if we could get Nocioni for Mason + Bonner i dont see a reason to not doing it, Nocioni salarie for this season = Mason + Bonner salaries for this season and Nocioni as more value from both, he can help us more than Mason + Bonner, he can play the role of Bonner last season and do it better and he will really improve our bench.
after that season Nocioni as two more season in his contract for $6,850,000 and $6,650,000 which is not too bad, Nocioni could give good value for those two years and the Spurs anyway will spend those money on someone and not sure the Spurs will find better option!
If we're going to take back a long-term contract for a SF, I'd rather just take Stephen Jackson for a little more $..I don't think either will happen right now, maybe revisit at the deadline and see how we look..
Agreed
I'd say that have to trade him this year, though, eventually.
also Nocioni may be a motivation for Manu to sign extension next summer for less money!
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