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Too expensive.
Andres Nocioni #5 Forward
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andres_nocioni/index.html
Too expensive.
agreed
Game declining, ball hog, doesn't have the same fire anymore.
No thanks.
This made me LOL.
ericb any negative feedback of argy players, expect the wrath of the argy fans replyin
See how I didn't say anything from the other two things he said, smart boy.
Would the Kings be interested in dumping his horrible contract for Bowen/Oberto/Mason or similar?
IMO there is a very good chance that this happens, if the Spurs offer Fab+Bruce. although I don't think he is their plan A. maybe this move is the 3rd or 4th option.
however, it's not a bad idea, neither is his contract that bad. sure. his salary is decreasing, he will make 7.5 next season, then 6.8 then 6.6, the last year is a TO. not exactly a bargain, but considering how many below average players, who make about 3-4 millions the Spurs have stockpiled, I rather have Nocioni for 7.5, than Bonner plus Fab for the same money.
Do you agree with what EricB said apart from the ballhog bit?
I thought he did really well in the Olympics. What happened this last season? Did he have injuries or was he not motivated playing on a crap team?
??? he struggled with the Bulls, like the whole Bulls team was a disaster in the first half of the season.
but after the trade, he did quite well for the Kings IMO. 13.7 PPG and 6 RPG, 44% 3s. and even after being traded to one of the two crappiest teams in the league, he played his ass off. again, I can see other players who would help us more. but if we end up with Nocioni for some of our dead meat contracts, I will also be pretty happy.
The Spurs could do a lot worse. High basketball IQ, chemistry with Manu, will never be accused of folding under pressure like Bonner.
Like Mountainballer pointed out, his salary is actually structured to decrease over the next couple years. He'll be 32 at the start of his last fully guaranteed year of the deal.
Maybe not the first option to persue this summer, but I wouldn't complain.
I don't see the Kings giving him up just yet. He really helped light a fire under the team when he arrived which was sorely needed. They like players who hustle and leave it all out on the floor like he does.
I'd be surprised if they move him so soon.
Kings have quite drafted his carbon copy with Casspi and they really need cap space in 2010 to make a FA push. I think he is very available.
He is now on the top of my list for trade target. I have some doubts about his health but I think he is worth the risk.
My dream end of the season would be :
Spurs trade Finley+Bonner+Williams for Nocioni
Spurs re-sign Bruce for the min.
Spurs active roster: Parker, Hill, Mason, Ginobili, Jefferson, Bowen, Nocioni, Duncan, McDyess, Blair, Mahinmi and Haislip.
IL: McClintock and Hairston.
Keep the 15th roster spot open.
Last season Nocioni registered the best 3PT% of his entire career, the highest assist, steals, and blocks totals of his career, a better FG% than he had the previous two seasons, and the second best rebounding average of his career. I can understand if you don't like him, but I don't see any indication that his game is declining.
He'd make Manu happy, now that Oberto's gone.
And he can play some smallball 4, better than Finley that's for sure.
But as little as I care for Bonner, I wonder if he might be worth keeping. I must be losing my mind.
I would only really welcome this trade if it was accompanied by a signing of another big (which we would probably obviously need). A trade of Williams, Bonner and Finley would work. You may ask whats in it for the Kings but this trade would save them around $15m. Including $7m extra for next offseason where they could look to pair Kevin Martin with another very solid player to go with Spencer Hawes, Tyreke Evans, Jason Thompson... Anyway thats for them to worry about. I would like his trade and then use the LLE to sign Rasho back or someone similar. Suddenly the following team looks really scary.
Parker
-Hill/McClinton
Mason
-Ginobili/McClinton/Hairston
Jefferson
-Nocioni
Duncan
-Blair/Nocioni/Haislip
McDyess
-Nesterovic/Mahinmi
Last edited by mosdef17; 07-11-2009 at 08:58 PM.
That deal would allow the Kings to cut approximately $1.8 mil off their payroll for the 2009-10 season and $13.5 mil after that. Nocioni would be a great fit in SA, backing up Jefferson and being the small ball 4.
I could see the Spurs balking at taking on his contract, but it's now or never and they have been selecting the "now" option lately.
True. Man, he'd be a great fit. Maybe RC and Pop can get Peter drunk on some Cuervo again.
Starters
1 Parker
2 Ginobili
3 Jefferson
4 Duncan
5 McDyess
Bench
1 Hill
2 Mason
2/3 Bowen
3/4 Nocioni
4 Blair
4 Haislip
4/5 Mahinmi
IR
1/2 McClinton
2/3 Hairston
4 Gist
I could see the Spurs opting to make a run at Raja Bell and re-signing Bowen. That would make sense as the financial commitment to Bell is much less than Nocioni. Of course, would the Bobcats be willing to move Bell? I'd think the Spurs would have to offer them a pick or cash.
Totally Agreed. I think that 15th roster spot should be used for Rasho Nesterovic for the LLE and call it an offseason. Either Rasho or another big man around 7 foot to defend the paint and give Duncan a rest. We need someone to patrol the paint and take fouls so Duncan doesn't have to.
My only disagreement is I don't think it's THAT much of a risk. We would only be giving up Finley, Bonner and Williams which is really not that much of a loss. Regardless of if the trade happens or not I still think we still need another 7 footer inside cause Bonner defensive deficiencies are too great.
Also, am I the only one on this forum that thinks the Bowen era should just be laid to rest? It's OVER. He was fantastic for us, but we need to go in a new direction.
I agree with Bruno here. Nocioni would be my number one choice right now if the Spurs can get him and Bell second.
I did not like Rasho at all last time he was here, but that was mainly due to his contract. If he hasn't lost a step I would really like to have Rasho back at the LLE. I really do appreciate Rasho's defensive awareness and his ability to play with out Tim on the court and anchor the defense, even more so after the last couple of seasons with our defense not being at a very high level.
Nocioni would be awesome on the Spurs as either a back up SF or small ball PF. You could even start Nocioni at PF depending on certain match-ups. Nocioni would play his ass off here. I'm pretty sure he said the Spurs are one of the teams he would love to play for. He would be a great fit and I think his contract, although a little challenging financially, would be worth it.
Last edited by Ice009; 07-11-2009 at 09:36 PM.
Nocioni's contract is frontloaded, which makes him easier to deal in the future.
Last edited by Chieflion; 07-12-2009 at 01:01 AM.
It's Frontloaded... decreases each year..
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