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    Some Casspi news from a NJ Nets perspective:

    http://netsarescorching.com/2009/05/...ng-their-pick/

    Nets Trading Their Pick?
    May 29, 2009 2009 Draft, 2009 Offseason, Rumors, Uncategorized

    No this isn’t another Blake Griffin post.

    And yes I know that Rod Thorn has already said that trading the pick wasn’t likely:

    “A trade is always a possibility, but it is not very likely to happen, we have a pretty good mix of players lined up for the Chicago interviews.”

    But still there is some interesting stuff going on in Chicago that is leading me to think otherwise. What exactly? Well, Timothy Varner and Graydon Gordian of the great Spurs blog, and TrueHoop Network associate, 48 Minutes Or Less are in Chicago covering the combine, and they were given the opportunity to interview Omri Casspi (PF/SF from Israel), who the Spurs have been interested in for a very long time. It is a great interview, and I strongly suggest that you guys check it out. Especially the 7th paragraph:

    Casspi hasn’t worked out for the Spurs. He’s not sure if he will. In the coming weeks, he’s slated to work out for Minnesota, Golden State, Portland, Sacramento, and, curiously, New Jersey. In other words, picks #11, 24, 28, 31 and 32. The 37th pick, which once belonged to Golden State, is now the property of San Antonio. It’s hard to see Casspi falling that far in the draft, especially after some of the early entries pull their names. Some consider the question of whether or not Casspi will slide to 37 a moot discussion, however.

    So it seems that the Nets are working this kid out. Now he is a solid player, but most mocks have him going late first/early second, so that is why he wasn’t on my big board. The Nets certainly won’t be reaching for him, so what is the point of the workouts? I don’t really know what the deal was, and Timothy was planning on asking Thorn, but couldn’t find him at the combines, he did get a chance to ask Chad Ford about it though, and this is what he told me while we were chatting on GoogleChat:

    Timothy: i just talked with Chad Ford about it
    he said it was a little odd
    he didn’t raise an eyebrow
    just said, “yeah, that is a little odd”
    if I see Thorn, I’ll ask him
    I’ve not see him, though
    I have a couple theories that I am knocking around in my head:

    The first is that we are looking to trade down because Casspi is our guy and Thorn a) doesn’t want to reach with the 11th pick for him and b) by trading down, we will probably be picking up a second round pick in this year’s draft as well.

    The second theory, is that Casspi is a back-up option. Let’s say all of the top guys on the Nets’ board are gone by 11, and they don’t want to pay a player they don’t like 11th pick money. The Nets then trade down with a team that has a late first round pick (perhaps a team that needs a PG or something) and we sit and hope that Casspi is there.

    My final and most interesting theory. We are looking to move Vince Carter, Yi, or Bobby Simmons. The trade is either with a late round team and we swap picks, or the deal helps land us a early second round pick. We use said pick to draft Casspi.

    Now with all this being said, Casspi hasn’t worked out with us yet and he might not even impress Rod Thorn and the rest of the guys. I am just saying the fact that we are interested in him is obvious because we are working him out, and if we like him, we may trade down for him (Taking him at 11 would be such a freakin reach).

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    Well, Timothy Varner and Graydon Gordian of the great Spurs blog, and TrueHoop Network associate, 48 Minutes Or Less are in Chicago covering the combine, and they were given the opportunity to interview Omri Casspi (PF/SF from Israel), who the Spurs have been interested in for a very long time.
    Great blog, that "48 Minutes Or Less."

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    They say the blog is great, which it is, and they get the name wrong.

    Timothy Varner and Graydon Gordian of the great Spurs blog, and TrueHoop Network associate, 48 Minutes Or Less...

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    NBA Hoops: Casspi confident as draft approaches
    By ALLON SINAI


    Maccabi Tel Aviv forward Omri Casspi believes he is ready to play in the NBA, even though according to some reports he had a less than successful time at the NBA Draft Combine in Chicago over the weekend.

    Speaking to the media during the combine, Casspi was confident he is more than capable of playing in the best league in the world.

    "I think I'm ready to play in the NBA," Casspi said. "I've played on one of the best teams in Europe for the last few years and I've improved every year."

    However, according to ESPN's Chad Ford, the 20-year-old Israeli was far from impressive in the combine.

    "A couple of players didn't fare as well. Israel's Omri Casspi had a shaky shooting day, throwing up a few air balls and bricks during the shooting drills.

    "No worries, however - he's much better in a real game with real defenders," Ford said of Casspi, who is hoping to be selected in the first round of the draft at Madison Square Garden on June 25 to become the first Israeli to play in the NBA.

    "Everyone in Israel is excited about me getting drafted. Israel has never had an NBA player. Everybody's looking forward to the first one," said Casspi, who will work out and interview with several teams in the coming days.

    "I'm really looking forward to the interviews and workouts. I really want to do well there."

    www.jpost.com

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    I kind of hope we get him, but I'm afraid the @#$#@% Blazers or Rockets will grab him just before we can.

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    This guys stock is rising, we must get into the first round, did anyone keep the receipt for KT. Why does it always seem that the spurs do all the proper scouting for talent and all the other teams reep the benefits? Bunch of theives do your own scouting,...leaches.

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    Great blog, that "48 Minutes Or Less."
    They must've have had that ill-fated book on the PHX Suns season, on the brain.

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    I would like Casspi, but not at 11. However, I did say that if the Spurs pull off the VC trade the 11th pick would most likely be included. I actually do believe the reason the Spurs didn't make the trade at the deadline was because they wanted that first round pick, but the Nets did not want to risk giving up a possible top 5 pick. if you remember the Blazers and the Bulls both had around the same chance to get the 1st pick the last two drafts and moved up.
    If the Spurs find a way to land V.C. and the 11th pick, without including one of the Big 3?

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    If the Spurs find a way to land V.C. and the 11th pick, without including one of the Big 3?
    Too good to be true. We're not that lucky.

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    Personally, the best rumored deal I see is Detroit offering Amir Johnson and the 15th pick for expiring contracts. That makes sense to me. The Spurs could grab Austin Daye or Omri Casspi or Sam Young in that range. That's a great deal for San Antonio.

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    Personally, the best rumored deal I see is Detroit offering Amir Johnson and the 15th pick for expiring contracts. That makes sense to me. The Spurs could grab Austin Daye or Omri Casspi or Sam Young in that range. That's a great deal for San Antonio.
    A deal like that is more realistic and would probably work out better for the Spurs.

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    Personally, the best rumored deal I see is Detroit offering Amir Johnson and the 15th pick for expiring contracts. That makes sense to me. The Spurs could grab Austin Daye or Omri Casspi or Sam Young in that range. That's a great deal for San Antonio.
    Detroit isn't offering them for expiring contracts, they are supposedly offering them for capspace this summer. Amir Johnson already is an expiring 09/10 contract.

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    Personally, the best rumored deal I see is Detroit offering Amir Johnson and the 15th pick for expiring contracts. That makes sense to me. The Spurs could grab Austin Daye or Omri Casspi or Sam Young in that range. That's a great deal for San Antonio.
    Agreed. The Spurs seem pretty well committed at this point to the 2010 plan(), so if they are going to jump into the first round this is the only type of deal I see them going for.

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    I could actually see that happening. The nets just really want that salary dump. I would guess that the only reason the Spurs do not trigger that trade is because VC will be making around 17 million when he is 35 or 36. And it completely ruins the Spurs own 2010 plan.
    He will be 34 in his last year in 2010/2011. Instead of having money in 2010, Spurs would then have a 2011 plan. Being that most big names will resign with their respective teams, would do this in a heartbeat if I'm the Spurs.

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    I could actually see that happening. The nets just really want that salary dump. I would guess that the only reason the Spurs do not trigger that trade is because VC will be making around 17 million when he is 35 or 36. And it completely ruins the Spurs own 2010 plan.
    I wouldn't be shocked to see them deal V.C. and the 11th, I just don't think the Spurs have the best package out there.

    Vince is only guaranteed 4 million (IIRC) in his last year, and as MaNu4Tres mentioned, he could potentially give the Spurs a 2011 plan.

    If the Spurs could pull that deal off?

    I don't see how they could turn it down.

    Unfortunately, I just don't see it happening.

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    Personally, the best rumored deal I see is Detroit offering Amir Johnson and the 15th pick for expiring contracts. That makes sense to me. The Spurs could grab Austin Daye or Omri Casspi or Sam Young in that range. That's a great deal for San Antonio.
    Detroit, Oklahoma City Talking Trade?

    With the Detroit Pistons looking to get as far under the salary cap as they can this summer, and the Oklahoma City Thunder being one of the few teams who are able to help them shed salary, the two teams have emerged as natural trade partners, multiple NBA sources told DraftExpress this past weekend.

    With very few teams projected to have cap space this summer (Oklahoma City, Memphis, Portland, Sacramento and Atlanta being the main ones), it appears that Detroit could be in great position to take advantage of the strength of this free agent class and nab a couple of pieces that would put them right back in the mix to compete for the Eastern conference finals. Detroit is currently slated to be around 20 million dollars underneath the cap, but could shed another five million or so by unloading the contracts of Amir Johnson and their first round pick (#15).

    Enter the Oklahoma City Thunder. They are reportedly high on B.J. Mullens (as is Milwaukee), and likely would be able to nab him with the 15th pick. Considering how far under the cap they’ll be this summer, they would have no problem taking on Amir Johnson’s expiring 3.66 million dollar contract. They should be able to find a suitor for their late first round pick if they choose to do so, as teams like San Antonio, Houston, Toronto and Orlando are all in the market for a draft choice in that range. With the money Detroit frees up, they could go after their top two free agent targets, rumored to be Paul Millsap and Ben Gordon.

    -DX
    It's probably a little more realistic that a scenario like this would play out, netting the Spurs a late first-round pick.

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    It's probably a little more realistic that a scenario like this would play out, netting the Spurs a late first-round pick.
    It would be hilarious if the Spurs paid to get their own pick back from OKC.

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    I wouldn't be shocked to see them deal V.C. and the 11th, I just don't think the Spurs have the best package out there.

    Vince is only guaranteed 4 million (IIRC) in his last year, and as MaNu4Tres mentioned, he could potentially give the Spurs a 2011 plan.

    If the Spurs could pull that deal off?

    I don't see how they could turn it down.

    Unfortunately, I just don't see it happening.
    The real problem with acquiring VC is that you cannot add him to TD, TP, and Manu without going well over the luxury tax. The Spurs would have to send Manu as part of the package.

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    The real problem with acquiring VC is that you cannot add him to TD, TP, and Manu without going well over the luxury tax. The Spurs would have to send Manu as part of the package.
    do you not think vc,tp,duncan could not win the le without manu to?

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    do you not think vc,tp,duncan could not win the le without manu to?

    I don't know, but that wasn't my point. The discussion above involved adding VC to the Big 3. That doesn't work financially for the Spurs.

    As to whether they would be better off with VC or with Manu, that is debatable.

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    It would be hilarious if the Spurs paid to get their own pick back from OKC.
    Hilarious, yet, somehow fitting.

    The real problem with acquiring VC is that you cannot add him to TD, TP, and Manu without going well over the luxury tax. The Spurs would have to send Manu as part of the package.
    Yeah, maybe there's technically a way to do it by signing only minimum-type contracts surrounding them (basically the Big 4 and a bunch of scrubs) but it's not all that feasible.

    I never saw this happening the way Phila_Chamberlain suggested it might, thus the flying pigs and implied debauchery.

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    Omri Casspi, one of the few international prospects with a chance to go in the first round, went from putting his chances at staying in the draft at 50-50 to saying without hesitation about a week later that he is planning to stick. His outlook improved that much after attending the Chicago gathering and group workouts in Minneapolis and Oakland, Calif. "I know there's a lot of big interest in me now," the 20-year-old from Israel said. Casspi is a 6-9 small forward who needs to get a lot stronger, but he is willing to play overseas for another season in a move that would allow NBA teams to take him and develop a young talent without a salary-cap hit.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...udemire.notes/

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    It sounds like it's gonna be more difficult to snag this kid than anticipated. Sucks.

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    It sounds like it's gonna be more difficult to snag this kid than anticipated. Sucks.
    It was probably going to be pretty hard from the jump...and now he is probably on a lot of teams radars. Hopefully we can make that deal with Detroit to move up to 15.

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    It was probably going to be pretty hard from the jump...and now he is probably on a lot of teams radars. Hopefully we can make that deal with Detroit to move up to 15.
    We will probably have get in the top 20 to have a ligit shot now.

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