Brent VS Devin: The numbers speak for themselves

[Supergirl]

I agree with Whottt's analysis, but I think the biggest difference between Brown and Barry is experience and basketball intelligence. Brown is still very inexperienced, and makes bad decisions and poor shot selection. This will improve over the next couple years. He's already so much smarter with the ball than he was last year.

I'm glad to see Barry coming into his own.

[ChumpDumper]

I just showed you the first game he was pulled was a game he took 4 shots in 6 minutes.

Good shots? Open shots? You simply proved they were shots, which by itself means nothing. I'm sure you will contend he never took a bad shot in his career as well.

You prove he was yanked that game for passing up open shots.

lol. Passing up shots wasn't the only way he has sucked this season. I know you live in denial of that as well.

Still waiting on that game Devin turned around by the way.

Are you serious?

Barry never played a bad game as a Spur and Devin never contributed to a win as a Spur.

This is truly what you believe.

Idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

I mean the whole point of this thread is Barry > Devin.

Well damn, should that ever have been in question this year?

It was, and Barry is far from blameless for that situation. Deny that.

[kskonn]

Yea, He has passed up open shots. He was afraid of getting yanked out of the game. Pop has been trying to pull the same method he used on Jax. Pull him out of the game, get him pissed off and hope he comes back in and lights it up. That does not work with Barry. He needs to be treated like we treated Manu Last year. Let him play through missed shots and let him get the defense down. His defense has been much improved over the last few games when he has had consistent playing time.

[ChumpDumper]

He was afraid of getting yanked out of the game.

Then he's a pussy. It's amazing how little Barry's alleged supporters really think of him.

[kskonn]

I mean the whole point of this thread is Barry > Devin.

Well damn, should that ever have been in question this year?

It was, and Barry is far from blameless for that situation. Deny that.

I thought the Point was that when Barry is on the floor we have a better chance to win. Especially since he is now playing at the level that he should be. I have said it before and will say it again. barry has the ability to come in to a game and control the game, change the entire facet of how that game is being played. Devin does not yet have that ability. He brings energy to the floor and makes his position more athletical, but he does not have the ability to control the flow of the game.

[kskonn]

Then he's a pussy. It's amazing how little Barry's alleged supporters really think of him.

Yea i never said it was the right way for him to think. I was just saying that is how he thinks. It is obvious that he plays better when he is not thinking about getting yanked. I honestly feel Pop will not do that now that he has seen what he can do if he gets longer stretches of playing time. His recent play will make Pop a little more patient in giving him the yank.

[ChumpDumper]

The point is Devin never did any good as a Spur and should be waived.

You simply can't like one Spur without hating another. God forbid you might think everyone can contribute to a championship.

[whottt]

Good shots? Open shots? You simply proved they were shots, which by itself means nothing.

And what the have you proved in this entire argument?

Prove something.

I'm sure you will contend he never took a bad shot in his career as well.lol.

And I am still sure you are an idiot.

Passing up shots wasn't the only way he has sucked this season.

Um...I do believe I said the reason Pop had no patience for him missing shots was because of his defense...a non idiot would realize that is an admission on my part of other flaws in his game.

Barry never played a bad game as a Spur and Devin never contributed to a win as a Spur.

This is truly what you believe.

Idiot.

[whottt]

Then he's a pussy. It's amazing how little Barry's alleged supporters really think of him.

Chump has discovered that every player in the entire NBA are pussies...including Devin Brown.

[kskonn]

The point is Devin never did any good as a Spur and should be waived.

You simply can't like one Spur without hating another. God forbid you might think everyone can contribute to a championship.

The point is that Devin has done good things, last year vs La for example, but barry playing at his normal level has the ability to do much greater things for this team.

[whottt]

I mean the whole point of this thread is Barry > Devin.

Well damn, should that ever have been in question this year?

No, it shouldn't have been...it never was to me...yet it was to the Spurs and most of the board...and it still is...inspite of overwhelming statisitical evidence to the contrary...backed up by wins and losses.

It was, and Barry is far from blameless for that situation. Deny that.

Ummm...Pop made Devin afraid to shoot also with the yankings...Pop is probably the main reason Devin choked in that Houston game and he has even admitted he handled that badly.

[kskonn]

Chump has discovered that every player in the entire NBA are pussies...

[ChumpDumper]

Prove something.

You first. Prove the shots were good open shots and he did everything else right.

And I am still sure you are an idiot.

Nonresponsive. I'll take that as an admission you're wrong.

I do believe I said the reason Pop had no patience for him missing shots was because of his defense.

So Pop approves of Barry's passing up open shots. Where's your proof of that?

Idiot.

Nonresponsive. i'll take that as an admission that I'm correct regarding your opinions of Barry and Devin.

[whottt]

Pop has also said he doesn't just want guys standing around jacking up 3 pointers if they can get a higher PCT shot...

[ChumpDumper]

Pop made Devin afraid to shoot also with the yankings.

Where's you're proof of that?

Ummm...Pop made Devin afraid to shoot also with the yankings...Pop is probably the main reason Devin choked in that Houston game and he has even admitted he handled that badly.

Ummmm....Devin was supposed to not shoot in that situation. If Pop was supposed to scare him into inactivity, we would've won that game. That's funny.

But I understand your points of view. Players you like are beyond any reproach. They should never work on their games or try to fit into a system. We should never say anything bad about players we like and only reserve criticism for players who might compete with them for playing time, as they are worse than and should never see any playing time ever.

Have you said one critical thing about Barry this year without making an excuse for him?

[ChumpDumper]

Pop has also said he doesn't just want guys standing around jacking up 3 pointers if they can get a higher PCT shot.

He said this about Barry?

Link.

[whottt]

You first. Prove the shots were good open shots and he did everything else right.

Um...I started this thread out by proving something...something you have yet to be able to refute with anything other than personal attacks and lame accusations of everything from hidden agendas to racism.

You prove something...or at least disprove something...

Nonresponsive. I'll take that as an admission you're wrong.

And that makes you an idiot...you taking it as something other than it is...it is an admission that you are an idiot and nothin else and I will continue to admit it every time you twist.... Or try to put me on the defensive by accusing me of saying something I didn't say. Stop being so ing weak.

So Pop approves of Barry's passing up open shots. Where's your proof of that?

I don't think Pop approves of any player passing up open shots, but I have heard him say he wants guys getting a higher PCT shot if they can, if it's there...and that isn't why he got yanked originally...it was because he was missing them...and he had been in a mini slump and Pop wasn't going to leave Barry in the game to play weak D if he wasn't hitting shots..and then the problems compounded and our team and bench have never looked as good.

Barry was in a slump on his own...Pop's heavy handedness exacerbated the situation...that is on Pop.

Nonresponsive. i'll take that as an admission that I'm correct regarding your opinions of Barry and Devin.

If you think my opinion of Barry and Devin are that Barry>Devin and Barry playing up to potential is more important to this team this year based on what has happened in the regular season...you sir are correct. If you think I think Devin is more of a choker than Barry, you are also correct...if you think I don't think Devin has stepped up to change the tide of a game from a loss to a win...you are correct once again.

If you think anything else, whether it be I am racist or am saying we should waive Devin Brown...you are an idiot.

[ChumpDumper]

I started this thread out by proving something.

And now you just quit? if you can't take your assertions being challenged, don't make them. You said he was benched for missing 4 open shots. You were asked to prove they were open. You then wet your pants.

Stop being so ing weak.

Stop wetting your pants and being unresponsive.

I don't think Pop approves of any player passing up open shots.

Then don't act like it.

but that is why he got yanked originally...it was because he was missing them.

You still have yet to prove this. No wetting.

I understand you think Devin should never play and never did anything to help the Spurs win a game.

[whottt]

Where's you're proof of that?Ummmm....Devin was supposed to not shoot in that situation. If Pop was supposed to scare him into inactivity, we would've won that game. That's funny.

Pop reamed his ass before that play and Devin played like the green player he is...had nothing to do with shooting...but Devin did take a lot of bad shots in fact he was almost a ball hog until Pop changed him to a tentative shooter...he was just rebounding from that when he got injured.

But I understand your points of view. Players you like are beyond any reproach. They should never work on their games or try to fit into a system.

Chump...did it ever occur to you that the stats I posted at the beginning of this thread are why I think Barry is better?

Losing does that to me...I am sorry.

We should never say anything bad about players we like and only reserve criticism for players who might compete with them for playing time, as they are worse than and should never see any playing time ever.

Oh please shut the up Barry has been ing ripped to shreds on this board and Devin has been given a free pass...I post some informantion backing my stance and you whine and throw a tantrum like a little .

No player on this entire team has been ripped like Barry has so please shut the up.

Have you said one critical thing about Barry this year without making an excuse for him?

Actually I wasn't that crazy about the singing in the first place...look back if you can...it's in the thread where they announced he was going to be signed...

Go find the ing thread where I was in favor of starting Devin Brown...it was TimP's thread.

The reason it seems like I am such a staunch defender of Barry is because there is such a double ing standard and high expectation...it makes me want to puke..and on top of that...we ing win more when Barry gets more minutes, contrary to what is widely believed on the forum...it is not arguable. I like winning...we win more when Barry plays well...we win more when he has a big role...we havwe all season since the first ing game of the seaon....that's my agenda...I like winning more than stats, I like it more than Devin Brown...I like it more than defense....sue me.

[ChumpDumper]

did it ever occur to you that the stats I posted at the beginning of this thread are why I think Barry is better?

No, you never posted anything remotely critical of Barry this entire season without some bull excuse blaming everyone but Barry himself.

Oh please shut the up Barry has been ing ripped to shreds on this board and Devin has been given a free pass.

Absolutely not. Kori and LJ are Devin's biggest supporters on this board and they called him out for his failings without making excuses for him. When they do that, it's accepted and no 10-page threads have to be written about any excuses.

Go find the ing thread where I was in favor of starting Devin Brown.

That's because you like Bowen even less this year and can't wait for anyone to score on him to start a new thread. I'm sure if Ray gos off on him we'll hear from you, despite of -- or perhaps because of your prediction.

we win more when Barry plays well

I'll give you that; it's just that you think he has played well ever second of the season he's been on the floor.

I'm glad you codified your agenda about "fighting injustice" for your favorite player on a message board. It helps for others to know your biases.

[whottt]

No, you never posted anything remotely critical of Barry this entire season without some bull excuse blaming everyone but Barry himself.

Ahh there could be a little truth to that but that's because the anti Barry vitriol runs so strong...I have however ripped Barry in chat...

Ironically I ripped his ass bad right before he hit those shots in the Phoenix game.

What I refuse to do is say he is a ty player when he isn't...

There isn't room for me to criticize becaue there is such a dispairity in the reality of his play and the way he is portrayed on this board put me in constant defense mode...

And hey you ing asshole...if you scroll up a post you will see me saying he doens't play good D...

I just don't buy into the gutless heartless choking pussy rhetoric...I think that's just a little overblown and is easily disproved.

Absolutely not. Kori and LJ are Devin's biggest supporters on this board and they called him out for his failings without making excuses for him.

They are? That's news to me...I have suspected as much(gee I wonder why with all obejectivity on the board) but that is the first confirmation I have gotten of it...which explains why Devin can give a game away and barely get it mentioned...and Barry can hit the biggest shots of the season and still get called a gutless choking wimp..etc..

Devin has a lot of supporters on the board...I am quite aware of it...most like him better than the better player being on the court unfortunately...and that's why I am a Barry defender...because at seasons beginning I did not prefer either player over another.

When they do that, it's accepted and no 10-page threads have to be written about any excuses.

Yeah...Devin and Barry have been ripped about the same amount on this board...go yourself.

That's because you like Bowen even less this year and can't wait for anyone to score on him to start a new thread. I'm sure if Ray gos off on him we'll hear from you, despite of -- or perhaps because of your prediction.

Oh so now I hate Bowen too...

I'll give you that; it's just that you think he has played well ever second of the season he's been on the floor.

Link? I think he helped the team early in the season even when he wasn't shooting well...I don't think he was still doing that in this last slump.

I'm glad you codified your agenda about "fighting injustice" for your favorite player on a message board. It helps for others to know your biases.

Please stop speaking for others and speak for yourself ...You are by far the most obstinate person on this board, speak for yourself....

[kskonn]

I'm glad you codified your agenda about "fighting injustice" for your favorite player on a message board. It helps for others to know your biases.

Sounds like you are doing the same for Devin.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

LOL whotttt is the most hilarious poster ever


I never fell in with the crowd that totally hated brent barry, but i did fall in with those that thought he was not as productive as he should be.

Brent Barry is better than brown based on these stats, but i still expect more than him than just being better than Devin Brown, who is really in his first season of getting "consistent" minutes.

But i still like devin brown. He's a san antonio boy. He looks good, he feels good, from lake view to inglewood.

[ChumpDumper]

Sounds like you are doing the same for Devin.

Nope. I criticized Devin when he became completely tentative on offense. I thought mistakes that happened in Houston were part of his development, though. Better for something like that to happen in the regular season. Alot of this argument revolves around expectations. Devin's pretty much played as was expected to this season. For whatever reason, Barry really hasn't until recently.

I'm not even expecting Devin to be back this season, so I'm not quite sure why the anti-Devin lobby is so rabid.