Suns 2007 NBA Champions

[Xylus]

Minor point, but it was game 5 y'all had the suspensions. Game 6 you had everyone, and we were still missing Horry.

I know, I'm saying Phoenix's balls shriveled up after Bowen hit the 3 in Game 5, and then we lost Game 6. 'Cause of tiny balls.

[Xylus]

I don't understand why some Spurs fans get so offended by saying the Suns were the better team. The 2007 Spurs were definitely championship worthy, but the Suns were the better team. It's easy to make fun of the loser (Suns) now by saying, "lolol if they were better they would've overcame adversity and won the series". Yeah, the Suns choked a near double digit lead late in game 5, but you got to tip your hat to them for playing undermanned and still competing with a worthy opponent. The Suns offense was so damn efficient, even against the great defense of the Spurs. They would've won the le if you know what didn't happen.

I think so too. But the suspensions did happen, and they should have happened because a rule was violated.

You could argue that this particular rule is stupid (I would), but the players were still aware of this rule and violated it anyway. Legitimate suspensions. Legitimate victory as a result.

[carrao45]

Who the cares? les are not handed out in the regular season bro. The playoffs were still played the same, and the Spurs on the Lakers on their way to a le and 15-1 playoff record. Get over it already. You don't need to be insecure, Laker fan. Your team has like 15 les. Quit crying.

I'm nitpicking here but the Spurs went 15-2. The only team to ever go 15-1 was the 2001 Lakers

[carrao45]

Besides we all now Fisher's shot in 2004 was bull . And Manu's foul was bull . And also we would've repeated in 2000 had Duncan not been injured.

So by my count that's 7 RINGS GOTS!!!!

No, the Spurs wouldnt have repeated. Shaq wasn't gonna be stopped by anything that year. And Fisher's shot was good, it was off in time, in fact it should have been .6 instead of .4, because that's when Duncan's shot went in. The shot was good.

And i didn't see the Manu foul play so I don't know about that one

[DAF86]

I don't understand why some Spurs fans get so offended by saying the Suns were the better team. The 2007 Spurs were definitely championship worthy, but the Suns were the better team. It's easy to make fun of the loser (Suns) now by saying, "lolol if they were better they would've overcame adversity and won the series". Yeah, the Suns choked a near double digit lead late in game 5, but you got to tip your hat to them for playing undermanned and still competing with a worthy opponent. The Suns offense was so damn efficient, even against the great defense of the Spurs. They would've won the le if you know what didn't happen.

That Spurs core and that Suns core face each other in the playoffs 16 times, the Spurs won 12 and the Suns 4. The Spurs were clearly and without a doubt the better team.

[Amaso]

I think so too. But the suspensions did happen, and they should have happened because a rule was violated.

You could argue that this particular rule is stupid (I would), but the players were still aware of this rule and violated it anyway. Legitimate suspensions. Legitimate victory as a result.

I agree, even though I think the rule is stupid and it rewrote history. The Spurs were definitely championship worthy as I noted above. But I think it's pretty safe to say the Suns would've won the series. They had momentum and from my take were the better team.

[Xylus]

That Spurs core and that Suns core face each other in the playoffs 16 times, the Spurs won 12 and the Suns 4. The Spurs were clearly and without a doubt the better team.

I wouldn't say "clearly and without a doubt." Basketball is all about matchups. I think the Suns would have beaten any other team that year but the Spurs, because they haven't matched up well with them in a long time. If the Spurs had played the Mavs that year, who knows what would have happened.

Spurs and Suns were pretty even that year.

[DAF86]

I wouldn't say "clearly and without a doubt." Basketball is all about matchups. I think the Suns would have beaten any other team that year but the Spurs, because they haven't matched up well with them in a long time. If the Spurs had played the Mavs that year, who knows what would have happened.

Spurs and Suns were pretty even that year.

You're right about the matchups thing, so let me rephrase it this way: the Spurs clearly and without a doubt had the upper hand over the Suns when they played each other, it's not even close. So the whole suspension/fixing thing is just an excuse some fans use.

[Xylus]

I hate when this topic gets brought up.

I hate that ing series so much. I still can't think about it without getting extremely pissed off. No other playoff series has upset me as much as this one, not even Bulls-Suns '93. ing A.

[spursfan1000]

Every team played the same amount of games so we deserved it, so get your head our of your asses and get over it.

[spursfan1000]

I hate when this topic gets brought up.

I hate that ing series so much. I still can't think about it without getting extremely pissed off. No other playoff series has upset me as much as this one, not even Bulls-Suns '93. ing A.

You should be mad at Amare and Diaw not the Spurs..

[Xylus]

You should be mad at Amare and Diaw not the Spurs..

Who said I'm mad at the Spurs? Pretty sure I've implied the opposite. I don't get angry at an opponent unless I think they've cheated me or my team somehow. Otherwise, fair game.

Read my posts, bub.

[Culburn369]

Being O & 41, Xylus, has to be a downer. And gettin' hosed like that Vs. the Spurs. Duncan doin' likewise that of Amare/Diaw and not gettin' suspended.

Just shows to go ya.

[spursfan1000]

Who said I'm mad at the Spurs? Pretty sure I've implied the opposite. I don't get angry at an opponent unless I think they've cheated me or my team somehow. Otherwise, fair game.

Read my posts, bub.

Wasnt talking to you bro lol, talking to any1 who is blaming the Spurs about winning the series.

[Xylus]

Wasnt talking to you bro lol, talking to any1 who is blaming the Spurs about winning the series.

No big, just making sure.

[Yuushi12]

Who said I'm mad at the Spurs? Pretty sure I've implied the opposite. I don't get angry at an opponent unless I think they've cheated me or my team somehow. Otherwise, fair game.

Read my posts, bub.

Man , Xylus if full of class.

[Culburn369]

Man , Xylus if full of class.

, yeah. He's like the Pistons fans: Ya kicked their ass all over the '05 Finals and they're yer best friend now.

[Thompson]

Being O & 41, Xylus, has to be a downer. And gettin' hosed like that Vs. the Spurs. Duncan doin' likewise that of Amare/Diaw and not gettin' suspended.

Just shows to go ya.

The rule says 'steps on the court during an altercation.' There was no altercation when Duncan stepped on the court, so no suspension. This despite the comments of Steve Kerr, who happened to be a commentator and was invested in the Suns at the same time (which angered Pop).

[Culburn369]

The rule says 'steps on the court during an altercation.' There was no altercation when Duncan stepped on the court, so no suspension. This despite the comments of Steve Kerr, who happened to be a commentator and was invested in the Suns at the same time (which angered Pop).

Hey, you got away with one. Big deal. You'd already sold yer soul when you tanked to get Duncan. Everything after that could be adjudicated as >tainted<. I certainly don't begrudge you yer 3 rings plus that strike one, but, they're is a gaggle of Suns fans who are pretty bushy tailed & tight lipped over the whole sordid mess, and they're quite loaded for bear.

[Ditty]

Alright thats cool with me..
While we at it, Spurs 1999 Championship doesnt count so we can take that away from them since it was a lock-out season.. Not deserving, to be able to be named as of deserved Champs, they needed to play 82 games not 35..

wasnt there still a playoffs?

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

4 rings got

[resistanze]

If Vince Carter didn't go to his graduation the same day of game 7 of the ECSF against the 76ers, he wouldn't have laid a ing egg and the Raps would've won. Then they would've easily beat the Bucks and had the honor of being swept by the Lakers in the Finals.

2001 EC Champions, got.

[DUNCANownsKOBE2]

The only reason the Suns won game 4 in San Antonio was that Duncan was forced to the bench after picking up his 5th foul. At the time the Spurs had a significant lead. After Duncan went to the bench, the Suns magically 'got over the hump' and erased the difference before Duncan came back in at the end of the game. The thing is, 3 of those 5 fouls were bad calls. And it's not just a homer Spurs fan saying that, the announcers on the broadcast said after each of the 3 bad calls 'that was a bad call.'

Even if you ignore that, the 'should have been champion' Suns lost the series 4-2. They couldn't even push it to game 7 when they had everyone and we were still missing Horry (who could still contribute back then). At one point near the end of the game, the announcer said something to the effect of '...the Suns are getting blown out by the Spurs.' Nash went on one of his crazy tears to make the final score more respectable, but the Suns were not the better team. The Suns brass had to think so privately as well, because they reworked their team with the Shaq trade before the next postseason.

Also, the whole Donaghy thing had little bearing on that series. I think he reffed maybe one game, and a host of sports analysts examined the series and could only find 1 call that was questionable in favor of the Spurs (they might even have found a few in the Suns' favor, I can't remember).

As far as the Mavericks are concerned, you can't complain about the officiating in the Finals and then stick your heads in the sand about the officiating in the Spurs-Mavs series. In the games that came down to the wire, we were losing Duncan (Dirk stepped on Duncan's foot/ Duncan called for a block after the ref pointed to the restricted area- nevermind the replay showing Duncan's heel a foot outside the arc) and other key players at the end of games on bad calls. Either Bowen or Ginobili fouled out when Terry jumped backwards into them to 'draw the foul.'

Ginobili is called (as he should have been) for the foul on Dirk at the end of regulation in game 7, but 5 seconds later Duncan is fouled by Dirk under the basket to prevent the dunk without a call. That whole series was atrocious. The end result of overturning all the bad calls in '06 is not a Maverick championship; it is probably a Maverick exit in the 2nd round.

And I know I'll have to make these same arguments for the rest of my life because you people will never win a championship and will be forced to try to create imaginary championships like these.

This mini essay screams "I'm re ed".

[Culburn369]

"And I know I'll have to make these same arguments for the rest of my life because you people will never win a championship and will be forced to try to create imaginary championships like these."

And they do a nice victory parade after getting Paxson'ed.

[Dunc n Dave]

Hey, you got away with one. Big deal. You'd already sold yer soul when you tanked to get Duncan. Everything after that could be adjudicated as >tainted<. I certainly don't begrudge you yer 3 rings plus that strike one, but, they're is a gaggle of Suns fans who are pretty bushy tailed & tight lipped over the whole sordid mess, and they're quite loaded for bear.

Ah Culburn, there you go again...

Making accusations, but when anyone asks you to provide some evidence or even EXPLAIN what you think Duncan did wrong OR WHY it should have been a suspendable act, you just ignore them and fire back with some old timer comment or quote.

Still waiting for you to explain yourself in the last thread we had this discussion. But you won't because you CAN'T and you know we're right, and you just keep bringing it up to get a rise out of us Spurs fans. Sooner or later, you'll run out of quotes and catch phrases from that book of yours and then you'll finally have to provide this board with something of SUBSTANCE other than comic relief. What are you gonna do when your comedy bit runs dry?