Change: Bush vs. Obama on protests

[baseline bum]

I cannot understand how anyone can like our healthcare system. Our per capita spending on healthcare just blows away that of any other nation on Earth, with not much to show for it. Last stat I saw, Switzerland was next behind us, still spending 20% less than we do while covering everyone. Healthcare costs are just murdering jobs here. How much of that ridiculous price GM was spending on it's workers is tied to the exorbinant cost of American health insurance?

I wish we'd go to something like Germany has; no profit for the paper-pushers, no need for ridiculous malpractice insurance on the doctors' side, no bankruptcy if your wife gets cancer, and so on. The one thing I'd change is to disallow opting-out in combination with making the rates a bit higher than they are there so that doctors aren't only making $90G a year for the crazy workload they have to deal with.

[101A]

I cannot understand how anyone can like our healthcare system. Our per capita spending on healthcare just blows away that of any other nation on Earth, with not much to show for it.

I disagree with this statement.

You CAN look at it as we spend so much on healthcare, but aren't that much healthier than other countries;

OR

You can realize that we spend that amount on healthcare, don't exercise, eat like pigs, supersize our fries, take the car 1/2 a mile to the grocery store; and STILL aren't appreciably less healthy than societies that walk more, eat better and watch far less TV.

It's a ing miracle we are nearly as healthy as other societies.

Just a thought.

[101A]

Fattest countries in the World (guess whose way up there?)

http://www.fitsugar.com/136829

[baseline bum]

I disagree with this statement.

You CAN look at it as we spend so much on healthcare, but aren't that much healthier than other countries;

OR

You can realize that we spend that amount on healthcare, don't exercise, eat like pigs, supersize our fries, take the car 1/2 a mile to the grocery store; and STILL aren't appreciably less healthy than societies that walk more, eat better and watch far less TV.

It's a ing miracle we are nearly as healthy as other societies.

Just a thought.

16% of the GDP, while 15% of the nation has no coverage. To me those numbers are unreal. It's not like the UK or Germany are known for their healthy lifestyles, yet they cover everyone, have higher life expectancies, and pay nothing approaching what we do.

[101A]

16% of the GDP, while 15% of the nation has no coverage. To me those numbers are unreal. It's not like the UK or Germany are known for their healthy lifestyles, yet they cover everyone, have higher life expectancies, and pay nothing approaching what we do.

Well, neither is as fat as we are; especially Germany; regardless, part of that 16%, obviously, goes to paying for those 15% do not have coverage.

Also, I've never advocated for keeping the status quo - I simply don't think the govt. should be a payor. The govt., after all, has a track record in healthcare - Medicare; and it currently costs over 10 times more than the worst case scenario envisioned by its proponents 40 years ago - and at its current rate of expanse, is going to bankrupt the govt. Why should we trust that en y with any more control of the healthcare industry? It has failed. (Also, ironically, you can trace the rapid increase of healthcare costs in this country back to the late sixties; after Medicare/Medicaid were passed; even though employer provided insurance had been a tradition for 20 years at that point.) I honestly don't know why that correlates that way, but it does.

[baseline bum]

Well, neither is as fat as we are; especially Germany; regardless, part of that 16%, obviously, goes to paying for those 15% do not have coverage.

Also, I've never advocated for keeping the status quo - I simply don't think the govt. should be a payor. The govt., after all, has a track record in healthcare - Medicare; and it currently costs over 10 times more than the worst case scenario envisioned by its proponents 40 years ago - and at its current rate of expanse, is going to bankrupt the govt. Why should we trust that en y with any more control of the healthcare industry? It has failed. (Also, ironically, you can trace the rapid increase of healthcare costs in this country back to the late sixties; after Medicare/Medicaid were passed; even though employer provided insurance had been a tradition for 20 years at that point.) I honestly don't know why that correlates that way, but it does.

What about the status quo would you change then?

[Wild Cobra]

I sent links to the following videos to [email protected]







Something "fishy" about the president contradicting hiimself.

OMG, why did you do that. Now, they're going to pull all the evidence off YOUTUBE!

[Wild Cobra]

Whatever thread I'm in is the right one.

He means the one with the popcorn and he says he left it for you. A few of us had some though, and what's left is probably stale. That was yesterday.