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    http://theconservatives.com/blog/200...tudy-contrast/



    A Study in Contrast
    By Brian Faughnan | Aug. 5, 2009 10:49 a.m.


    Given the debate over the legitimacy of protests against the Democratic agenda on health care, cap-and-trade, and the economy generally, I thought it might be instructive to look at how the last administration addressed protests against its policies.

    White House officials meet with Cindy Sheehan and other anti-war protesters:


    About 70 anti-war protesters shouted "bring the troops home" from Iraq near President Bush's ranch on Saturday, prompting two White House officials to come out to meet with mothers who lost children in combat in Iraq.

    National Security Adviser Steven Hadley and Deputy White House chief of staff Joe Hagin listened to the concerns of Cindy Sheehan and five or six other mothers in a meeting that lasted about 45 minutes, White House spokesman Trent Duffy said. Duffy said Sheehan told the two officials she appreciated the meeting.



    White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer on Anti-war protesters:

    I think the president welcomes the fact that we are a democracy and people in the United States, unlike Iraq, are free to protest and to make their case known,"

    White House Press Secretary Trent Duffy on anti-war protests:

    The American people have a right to protest, and the right of free speech is something that we're fighting for in this war on terror, to preserve that right of free speech. So the President welcomes opinions from all Americans.


    Rumsfeld stops security from removing protester:


    Protesters repeatedly interrupted Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld during a speech Thursday, and one man, a former CIA analyst, accused him of lying about Iraq prewar intelligence in an unusually vociferous display of antiwar sentiment.

    “Why did you lie to get us into a war that caused these kind of casualties and was not necessary?” asked Ray McGovern, the former analyst, during a question-and-answer session.

    “I did not lie,” shot back Rumsfeld, who waved off security guards ready to remove McGovern from the hall at the Southern Center for International Studies.



    White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan on Iraq protests:

    The President talked about some of this the other day in remarks at the Pentagon. He recognizes that there are differences of opinion on Iraq and our role in the broader Middle East. Some people want us to withdraw from Iraq and withdraw from the Middle East. They are well-intentioned.


    Interesting. How does that compare with the Obama White House?

    The Democratic National Committee addresses health care protests:


    The Republicans and their allied groups – desperate after losing two consecutive elections and every major policy fight on Capitol Hill – are inciting angry mobs of a small number of rabid right wing extremists funded by K Street Lobbyists to disrupt thoughtful discussions about the future of health care in America taking place in Congressional Districts across the country.

    However, much like we saw at the McCain-Palin rallies last year where crowds were baited with cries of 'socialist,' 'communist,' and where the birthers movement was born – these mobs of extremists are not interested in having a thoughtful discussion about the issues – but like some Republican leaders have said – they are interested in ‘breaking’ the President and destroying his Presidency.

    These mobs are bussed in by well funded, highly organized groups run by Republican operatives and funded by the special interests who are desperately trying to stop the agenda for change the President was elected to bring to Washington. Despite the headline grabbing nature of these angry mobs and their disruptions of events, they are not reflective of where the American people are on the issues – or the hundreds of thousands of thoughtful discussions taking place around kitchen tables, water coolers and in homes.

    The right wing extremists’ use of things like devil horns on pictures of our elected officials, hanging members of Congress in effigy, breathlessly questioning the President's citizenship and the use of Nazi SS symbols and the like just shows how outside of the mainstream the Republican Party and their allies are. This type of anger and discord did not serve Republicans well in 2008 – and it is bound to backfire again.





    White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs on health care protests:


    "I hope people will take a jaundiced eye to what is clearly the Astroturf nature of grass-roots lobbying," said White House press secretary Robert Gibbs during a morning off-camera session in his office with reporters.

    "This is manufactured anger," he said.



    Well, you can say one thing for the Obama administration: they have brought genuine change to the way the White House addresses dissent.


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    Interesting now that the White House is so involved in wanting to find out everyone who sends fishy e-mails now.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].

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    TMTTRIO, with all the other lies coming out of this White House, how are we to believe that?

    Darrin,

    Nice article find.

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    The funny thing is, it is normal people speaking up. The ones who have been silent for a long time. It's just that Obama is being so aggressive with the far-left agenda, that these policies are starting to get personal.

    The more Obama and these snakes start to lie about who is speaking up, the more normal people will see the lies and begin to push even harder.

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    The funny thing is, it is normal people speaking up. The ones who have been silent for a long time. It's just that Obama is being so aggressive with the far-left agenda, that these policies are starting to get personal.

    The more Obama and these snakes start to lie about who is speaking up, the more normal people will see the lies and begin to push even harder.
    Yep, it's great, isn't it?

    I think it's telling that they start calling conservatives who believe in the 2nd amendment someone to watch out for. Isn't that the same as stating that they plan to change the government to a form that deserves to be overthrown?

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    Interesting now that the White House is so involved in wanting to find out everyone who sends fishy e-mails now.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Facts...ubborn-Things/

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to [email protected].


    WTF?

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    Maybe we should send all the leftist propaganda to that e-mail address?

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    lol normal people

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    I would like to know who is lying and spreading misleading propoganda.

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    I would like to know who is lying and spreading misleading propoganda.
    Rhymes with Ollama.

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    http://www.globegazette.com/articles...c982362937.txt

    Bush brings reform plan to Iowans
    CEDAR RAPIDS (AP) ? President Bush held a town hall meeting in this eastern Iowa city on Wednesday to advance his campaign for Social Security reform, saying he would be stubborn in sticking to his plan.

    Bush said changes are needed for younger workers to have a retirement system in place.

    "Social Security has worked for a lot of people," the president said. "The problem is there's a hole in the safety net for the generation that is coming up."

    Bush delivered his message to a carefully screened crowd of about 1,000 people at Kirkwood Community College. He also spoke live on two of the state's largest radio stations.

    The president has made Social Security his top domestic priority and said his message is beginning to resonate.

    "People are beginning to hear our message, that we have a problem," Bush said. "This issue is beginning to permeate."

    According to Social Security trustees, the system will be paying out more than it takes in by 2017 and could go broke by 2041.

    "You've got more people getting greater benefits and living longer, with fewer people paying into the system. That doesn't work," Bush said.

    The president is calling on Congress to act now to resolve future funding problems. He told the crowd in Cedar Rapids that he was inviting all ideas to the table.

    "The longer we wait, the harder it's going to be for younger workers to make up the difference," he said.

    Bush was accompanied by Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, who heads the influential Senate Finance Committee.

    "The president and I are like a builder and an architect," Grassley said. "We agree on a blueprint."

    Grassley has said that the ability of Congress to approve revisions to the Social Security system depends on Bush's ability to persuade voters that changes are needed.

    The veteran Iowa senator has said delaying action even for a year would cost $600 billion.

    "We've got to turn up the heat on Washington, D.C., to see this as an issue," Grassley said. "Doing nothing is not an option."

    Also attending the events were Reps. Jim Nussle and Jim Leach, both R-Iowa, who have yet to stake out positions on Social Security reform.

    With that in mind, True Majority Action, a nonprofit group opposed to the president's plan, began running radio spots in Iowa on Wednesday.

    "This makes it easy for Iowans to tell their Congress members not to risk privatizing Social Security," said Duane Peterson, a spokesman for the group.

    As part of the revision, Bush wants to allow workers younger than 55 to divert part of their Social Security taxes, up to 4 percent, to private investment accounts, such as stocks, bonds or mutual funds.

    At the forum, Bush brought along friendly backers from all generations to urge him on. They included a farmer from near Pella, a nurse from Cedar Rapids and a 20-year-old Kirkwood student from Marion.

    Jeff Brown, 36, a University of Illinois economics professor, said he has been studying Social Security for 10 years.

    "Social Security faces very severe financial problems and they start pretty soon," Brown said.

    Dennis Bogart, 33, who began farming with his father near Pella in 1995, said he favors personal retirement accounts because he wants greater control over this own money.

    "I want that money to be available to my son and daughter," he said.

    He said he has little faith that Social Security in its current form will survive.

    Forum attendees were carefully selected. Only those given tickets were allowed to attend and tickets were limited to Bush supporters known to organizers.Critics were working to make their voices known as well. A small group of protesters was kept well away from Bush's event, but officials from AARP, the nation's largest group representing older Americans, held a news conference earlier in the day to announce results of a member survey.

    Their poll showed 60 percent of AARP members oppose private accounts.
    Bush, who will turn 62 when he leaves office in 2008, said those nearing retirement have a moral obligation to protect younger workers.

    "People are beginning to understand that the promises made to my generation may not be kept for others," he said.
    So how are the different again? Bush didn't allow dissent and the Dems are being heckled at theirs...hmmm

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    So how are the different again? Bush didn't allow dissent and the Dems are being heckled at theirs...hmmm

    Are you attempting to make sense?

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    Rhymes with Ollama.
    Lies? oh wait it must be one of those 'old people will be refused care' lies. No where does it specify that nor has anyone ever advocated that but,but,but consevrtaives are spreading that crap around as if it is true.. I guess lying is ok if your side is doing it.

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    I would like to know who is lying and spreading misleading propoganda.
    Yeah.

    The Government ought to put a stop to that!

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    Lies? oh wait it must be one of those 'old people will be refused care' lies. No where does it specify that nor has anyone ever advocated that but,but,but consevrtaives are spreading that crap around as if it is true.. I guess lying is ok if your side is doing it.
    I wish you a long life full of the highest quality pain pillin' health care.

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    Are you attempting to make sense?
    Ok, I'll slow down for you..the premise of this article ,for which you agree with, is misleading and wrong. I just posted one article that proves thnis thread is misleading and untrue. Can you even tell when you are lying anymore?

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    Yeah.

    The Government ought to put a stop to that!
    Or they should be at least be able to respond to it..oh wait they can't according to you..never mind special interest rule the day woohooo! Truth or not be damned!

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    Sorry GGA I can't refute your post so I will try and insult you

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    Or they should be at least be able to respond to it..oh wait they can't according to you..never mind special interest rule the day woohooo! Truth or not be damned!
    No. I don't think he is even trying to make sense.

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    WHat part of "bussing people in" to make it look like the health care proposals are truly being opposed by AMericans do people not understand?

    it's like the same damn woman at all the "rallies."

    that's not dissent, folks. that's manipulation and deceit. it's the republican way.

    But hey, it reeks of desperation. The Republicans know they're on the wrong side of history on this one. They just can't get out of their own way. The vast majority of Americans aren't falling for their lies.

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    Or they should be at least be able to respond to it..oh wait they can't according to you..never mind special interest rule the day woohooo! Truth or not be damned!

    Seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about.

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    No. I don't think he is even trying to make sense.
    Thinking again? Wow that's fantastic!

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    Seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about.
    Ok we'll slow down. Does the WH have the right to confront anyone who is sending out false information?

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    WHat part of "bussing people in" to make it look like the health care proposals are truly being opposed by AMericans do people not understand?
    Look, you aren't on the right wing mailing lists.

    I am. I get their propaganda; know what it looks like and says.

    Nowhere have I seen ANYTHING about a bus ride ANYWHERE.

    Put up some proof that that is happening; that there is a master organizing effort by powerful people (RNC, Pharma or Insurance Industry) to do this, or stfu about it. Like minded citizens, getting together to express grievances with the govt. is a long-standing tradition in this country. See: Cons ution, United States, First Ammedment: Re: Freedom to Assemble.

    Strawmen, as has been discussed ad nauseum on this board, are easy to defeat.

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    Ok we'll slow down. Does the WH have the right to confront anyone who is sending out false information?

    As far as I know they have the same rights as any other citizen. However, being who they are, they should be prudent in exercising their rights.

    The White House is acting purely politically here; attack the messenger(s) so that the story is about paranoid, middle aged, angry, out of shape white folk, instead of being about the problems those citizens have with the President's agenda and proposed policies on healthcare - which based on polls are, to a large degree, not overwhelmingly popular.

    Republicans have, of course, done it; labeling anti-war or anti-Patriot Act protestors as "Un American" most recently, and as "Dope Smoking, free loving hippies" in Nixon's day. Niether party is particulary high-minded; and both dislike effective criticism, and are willing to do whatever it takes to silence, or undermine it.

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