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    I is sorry. I, I didn'ts wants to offens you master. I wuz jus thinkin' that iffen you could be's so kind to allow's me to give to who I would likes to giv's to , you juz might not has to take's so much away.

    Especially my freedom to choose who that might be.

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    You are free to be a stupid jackass like you were in that last post.

    Congratulations.

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    You are free to be a stupid jackass like you were in that last post.

    Congratulations.
    I'll post this again..

    But like all slavery, like all domination, like all exploitation, it came to the point that the people got tired of it. And that seems to be the long story of history. There seems to be a throbbing desire, there seems to be an internal desire for freedom within the soul of every man. And it’s there—it might not break forth in the beginning, but eventually it breaks out, for men realize that freedom is something basic. To rob a man of his freedom is to take from him the essential basis of his manhood. To take from him his freedom is to rob him of something of God’s image. To paraphrase the words of Shakespeare’s Ot o:
    Who steals my purse steals trash; ‘t is something, nothing;
    ‘T was mine, ‘t is his, has been slave to thousands;
    But he that filches from me my freedom
    Robs me of that which not enriches him
    But makes me poor indeed.
    Do you know who even said this?

    It was from a person I admire for his commitment to fairness for all and not just any particualr race, religion or government policy.

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    Martin Luther King Jr. was a pretty clearly a socialist. You would have hated, no -- you do now hate, his ideas for government involvement in issues of poverty and economic inequality.

    If you want to move to Ghana to be free, you are indeed free to do so.

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    Martin Luther King Jr. was not a socialist. He had a dream for all people to free of government policies that he knew allowed for descrimination.

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    Martin Luther King Jr. was not a socialist. He had a dream for all people to free of government policies that he knew allowed for descrimination.
    I guess you just kind of blanked out everything he did and said after 1965. It's understandable from someone who is declares he is as much a slave today as the blacks prior to the Civil War.

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    "man is born free and yet everywhere he is in chains"

    jean jacques rousseau

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    "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching
    spiritual death."

    Martin Luther King, Jr., Where Do We Go from Here: Chaos or Community?, 1967.

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    A Slave's Story

    One hundred ninety five years ago, British troops set fire to the White House. A slave by the name of Paul Jennings was there and published the only known memoir at the time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL2o3...layer_embedded

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    I guess you just kind of blanked out everything he did and said after 1965. It's understandable from someone who is declares he is as much a slave today as the blacks prior to the Civil War.
    And you think Dr. Martin Luther King would be agreeable to people being forced to abide by government mandates if it meant the people would have to be subjected to not having their voices heard whether they wanted it or not?

    That's what is happening in our government today. It's about political policy more so than public majority.

    Do I support government funding in research for all means to help cure illness...of course. Is that what happens today...No. Lobbyist from both sides of the aisle set forth their presedence to influence the beurocrats of Washington to support whatever funding they are in search for. Our politicians sell there cons uents soles for profit and greed regardless of race, religious affiliation or creed.

    I don't think Dr. Martin Luther King's idea of a free America conceptionalised this. His speaches were about people sharing together their ideas, goals and dreams and working together with each to achieve those goals. If we are taken away our ability to make a decision on who or what we want to help with regards to free choice...what good is having a dream?

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    hitler!

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    And you think Dr. Martin Luther King would be agreeable to people being forced to abide by government mandates if it meant the people would have to be subjected to not having their voices heard whether they wanted it or not?

    That's what is happening in our government today. It's about political policy more so than public majority.

    Do I support government funding in research for all means to help cure illness...of course. Is that what happens today...No. Lobbyist from both sides of the aisle set forth their presedence to influence the beurocrats of Washington to support whatever funding they are in search for. Our politicians sell there cons uents soles for profit and greed regardless of race, religious affiliation or creed.

    I don't think Dr. Martin Luther King's idea of a free America conceptionalised this. His speaches were about people sharing together their ideas, goals and dreams and working together with each to achieve those goals. If we are taken away our ability to make a decision on who or what we want to help with regards to free choice...what good is having a dream?
    The idea for the Poor People's Campaign grew out of what King termed the "second phase" of the civil rights struggle. After the "first phase" had exposed the problems of segregation through nonviolence, King hoped to address what he called the "limitations to our achievements" with a second phase. In its ideology and style, the Poor People's Campaign demonstrated a merging of the first-phase tactics into second-phase goals. Through nonviolent direct action, King and SCLC hoped to focus the nation on economic inequality and poverty. The campaign also differed from previous SCLC campaigns in that it aimed to address the struggles of a cross-section of minority groups. "It must not be just black people," argued King, "it must be all poor people. We must include American Indians, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, and even poor whites."

    SCLC planned the Poor People's Campaign to be the most massive, widespread campaign of civil disobedience yet undertaken by a movement. They aimed to bring 1,500 protesters to Washington, D.C., to lobby Congress and other governmental agencies for an "economic bill of rights." Specifically, the campaign requested a $30 billion anti-poverty package that would include a commitment to full employment, a guaranteed annual income measure, and increased construction of low-income housing. Protest activities in Washington were to be supported by simultaneous demonstrations throughout the country. Despite division within SCLC over the campaign's feasibility, King embraced the campaign and traveled across the country speaking on poverty and conducted "people-to-people tours" to recruit participants.

    http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/index....ples_campaign/

    You asked if King supported government mandates that would curtail your ability to give to the cause of your choice.

    The answer is yes.

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    Thanks Chump for the info. I guess I bought into the persona that I wanted to believe about the man. Not to say now that he wasn't a great person...but it's a falicy to believe that government controll can make all things better.

    And I still hold this to heart in which he said...
    But like all slavery, like all domination, like all exploitation, it came to the point that the people got tired of it.

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    Hey, he thought poverty was a form of and/or resulting from slavery, domination and exploitation. His later life was dedicated to addressing it in a way he thought would be effective. I'm sure arriving at that conclusion was quite difficult for him.

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    this anti-poverty package, is this what became lbj's war on poverty and eventual "great society" ?

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    Think about it.

    The civil war was fought by the north to insure that we as a people had the right to "individually" make our decisions in life.

    Today's expanding government controll is making us slaves to the agendas of the political elite.
    Really, I'm sure this has been said already, but are you that stupid?

    Let's see.... we have the right to vote, the right to marry someone of a different color, right to use the same facilities, right to not be considered property, right to race our own children... must I go on?

    You're very historically ignorant if you think we're "less free" than slaves were. Tell me, how much economic freedom do you think slaves had? Sheesh.

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    Would you agree with this statement?




    I wish to be free to to make my own decisions regarding all decisions in my life. That is being (year by year, generation by generation) taken away by a government who would want to controll our fiscal earnings in order to enslave us to the servitude of their own agendas.
    If you want to be free to make all decisions, here's what you can do: find an ocean and star swimming. When you come to an island, see if anyone is there. If so, take a rest, then continue swimming.

    Or you could just hole up in the mountains somewhere and try to hide out with some guns. Sounds like fun!

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    Guys... I have a question similar to SpurNation.

    Are we better off than crickets?

    I mean, seriously, they have no concept of money, and therefore aren't taxed! They don't rely on other crickets, and each cricket gets to make his own way, without any sort of United States of Cricket or Cricketania government lording over them, taking all their tasty insect bits!

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    this anti-poverty package, is this what became lbj's war on poverty and eventual "great society" ?
    Most of the Great Society/War on Poverty programs were enacted in 1964-66 period. The Poor People's Campaign was planned for 1968.

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    Man, this thread is full of win.

    From the very quote Spurnation posted:

    To paraphrase the words of Shakespeare’s Ot o:
    Who steals my purse steals trash; ‘t is something, nothing;
    ‘T was mine, ‘t is his, has been slave to thousands;
    But he that filches from me my freedom
    Robs me of that which not enriches him
    But makes me poor indeed.
    Isn't he complaining about taxation? :p

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    almost all social and poliitcal philosophers concede that any intrinsic freedoms man inherit are lost due to the need to form communities or societies. of course, this does not mean that some societies are less egalitarian than others.

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    But like all slavery, like all domination, like all exploitation, it came to the point that the people got tired of it.
    You're confusing correlation and causation. Just because people become tired of something does not make it ipso facto slavery, domination or exploitation. I'm tired of Lindsey Lohan, and I sure as heck didn't get the choice to enslave, dominate or exploit her.

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    You're confusing correlation and causation. Just because people become tired of something does not make it ipso facto slavery, domination or exploitation. I'm tired of Lindsey Lohan, and I sure as heck didn't get the choice to enslave, dominate or exploit her.
    The quote was also about the independence of Ghana after a period of colonization by the British Empire. I don't think we are as bad off as they were back then either.

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    a very interesting read on the collaboration between LBJ and MLK

    http://www.law.virginia.edu/html/news/2005_spr/kotz.htm

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    "Today's expanding government control"

    no details? off

    the corps control government, and they want full protection/no liability to go after last penny in your pocket by any means possible.

    You're stupid ers who buy the conservative/Reagan bull lie of "hate government, it's the cause of all problems".

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