Start Nazr Now

[whottt]

Malik didn't play a single game this year as well as a defender, particularly as an interior defender, as Nazr did tonight.

What do you mean, in terms of blocking shots? Basically this is an unprovable point.

That's why Nazr is a better fit if he can keep bringing that D. Malik can't bring the D like Nazr can. If you can't see that Whott you're blind.

All I want from Nazr right now is just to keep doing his garbage work at the level he has been doing it at recently...I expect that...because being on a new team doesn't give him an excuse to suck at that.

[picnroll]

No. In terms of shutting down bigs, from Gasol to Wright. Holding positon. Getting rebounds to complete the defense. Holding off players so others could get the rebound. Blocking shots and altering shots. Weak side shot challenging. Not committing ba on defense. Rotating for timely help defense and then getting back to his man. This was a 2002 David Robinsonesque defensive effort.

All I want from Nazr right now is just to keep doing his garbage work at the level he has been doing it at recently

Sounds like what a lot of people kept saying about Malik which Malik often stopped doing.

[whottt]

This was a 2002 David Robinsonesque defensive effort.

Malik was more effective than DRob at times during the playoff run to our last le.

Drob really wasn't much of a factor against the Mavs...and the Suns series was 50-50.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Gasol used to tear us apart. Nazr made him take bad shot after bad shot tonight. If it's that hard for you to grasp, maybe we shouldn't even be having this conversation.

Coming from the guy talking endless after Nazr has 3 good games...

Where is the endless ? Looks to me like we're talking the benefits of Nazr vs. Rose.

All I said originally was Nazr is playing great, which you can't argue, and that Nazr can do things that Rose could never hope to do for this squad unless he got to play on stilts or a step ladder.

You're the one taking every positive comment about Nazr and parlaying it into Nazr > Wilt and all the other stupid ass straw man argument bull you're trying to use to prove you're right (and failing miserably at).

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Drob really wasn't much of a factor against the Mavs

Good lord, neither was Rose. It took Tim Duncan asking Pop to pull his head out and play Kerr. Rose was lit up every bit as bad as Drob in that series.

[whottt]

Gasol used to tear us apart. Nazr made him take bad shot after bad shot tonight. If it's that hard for you to grasp, maybe we shouldn't even be having this conversation.

1 game...where have I said Nazr sucked tonight?

He also made Mehmet Okur look like Shaq the other night.

Where is the endless ? Looks to me like we're talking the benefits of Nazr vs. Rose.

All I said originally was Nazr is playing great, which you can't argue, and that Nazr can do things that Rose could never hope to do for this squad unless he got to play on stilts or a step ladder.

You simply refuse to acknowledge Malik had good games for us...this season, last season, the last time we won a le.

You're the one taking every positive comment about Nazr and parlaying it into Nazr > Wilt and all the other stupid ass straw man argument bull you're trying to use to prove you're right (and failing miserably at).

LMAO...you were saying Nazr is a good passer, has a good J and hands...No strawman to it.

And now you are taking one good defensive performance and acting like he has been playing that way for a few games now...he hasn't been...he's been improved(as is in not awful) since the Clips game and I have been giving him credit for improvement, but tonight was his first truly good defensive game as a Spur...Period.

And because of it you want to start him over Rasho.

You also act like he's been playing this well off the bench.

I could just do what you do...and not acknowledge valid points or ignore a players good games....

[whottt]

Good lord, neither was Rose. It took Tim Duncan asking Pop to pull his head out and play Kerr. Rose was lit up every bit as bad as Drob in that series.

Selective memory...Malik was awesome in that series...he was awesome....even in the games where he didn't score big...

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

All I want from Nazr right now is just to keep doing his garbage work at the level he has been doing it at recently

If Rose continued to do that, I wouldn't have had a problem with him.

Nazr has had 3 or more blocks in three of his last four games, when did Rose ever even sniff three blocks in a game?

You simply refuse to acknowledge Malik had good games for us...this season, last season, the last time we won a le.

I've said it twice in this thread that he played some good ball for us in the past, you simply refuse to acknowledge anything other (apparently) than me promising to name my first born after him.

I don't have any selective memory about the Dallas series. It took Kerr's hot outside shooting to bail us out.

Some of you treat some hustle play by Rose like he was Wilt in his prime or something.

Rose's play has done nothing but regress since 2003, there's a lot of reasons for that but people want to blame it all on Pop *shrugs*

Nazr's had 4 really good if not great games in a row, and you sit here and say that's not good enough for you. But it is good enough for you to hold up as proof that Malik was playing great ball this year.

But like everything else for the Rose suckers on this site, Nazr will never be good enough unless he's averaging a triple double in points, blocks, and boards, and consistently hitting his jumper from 20 feet out.

[whottt]

I don't have any selective memory about the Dallas series. It took Kerr's hot outside shooting to bail us out.

In one game...in another Malik stepped up huge.

Some of you treat some hustle play by Rose like he was Wilt in his prime or something.

Rose's play has done nothing but regress since 2003, there's a lot of reasons for that but people want to blame it all on Pop *shrugs*

Robert Horry is the reason, when Pop has options he has a quick hook...what hypocracy coming from a guy with "let him play" under a picture of Brent Barry in his sig.

Nazr's had 4 really good if not great games in a row, and you sit here and say that's not good enough for you. But it is good enough for you to hold up as proof that Malik was playing great ball this year.

Show me where I said it wasn't good enough for me lmao...you called me out.

And you got a string of good games as a starter to back up your points about Nazr...I got a string of them from this year, last year, and the last time we won a le to back up my points.

But like everything else for the Rose suckers on this site, Nazr will never be good enough unless he's averaging a triple double in points, blocks, and boards, and consistently hitting his jumper from 20 feet out.

How about if he can just outplay Shawn Marks on a consistent basis? I think Malik was able to do that even by your hating standards...so is that too much to ask?

I don't think you realize how badly Nazr sucked prior to his recent surge...you insult Malik's entire family tree by saying he ever played as poorly as Nazr was playing the past few weeks...Yes he had an excuse...but as I said earlier...I don't want an excuse for sucking or justification for a gambling trade, because that doesn't win games and it doesn't win les.

[Mr. Body]

Now I understand why whoottt has so many posts. Does anybody read this stuff?

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

you insult Malik's entire family tree by saying he ever played as poorly as Nazr was playing the past few weeks.

LOL, now I know you've lost it. Rose had some downright ty stretches of basketball himself, but the RCG folks gloss those over.

Yes he had an excuse.

So what's the excuse for Rose throwing passes into the fifth row?

[T Park]

What was his excuse for yanking his jersey over his head.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

What was his excuse for yanking his jersey over his head.

It's a new kind of hustle play.

[T Park]

ahhh.


Didnt get to see the game tonight but.

8 8 and 5 BLOCKS?????


holy cow.


Guess Nazr CAN play well next to Duncan.


Start Nazr, let Rasho come off the bench.

It will work out PERFECTLY!!!!

Rasho will play better without Duncan in there, Nazr will play better with DUncan IN there.

Absolutely perfect.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

I figured for anyone with a brain they'd see he started tonight. This thread wasn't about tonight, it was about the rest of the season, the playoffs, the Finals, next year, the rest of Duncan's prime, etc.

[whottt]

What was his excuse for yanking his jersey over his head.

If anything exemplifies the asshole qualities of the Malik haters I'd say this does it....

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Asshole qualities? You're the one whining about Nazr being on a new team, with new teammates, new coaches, new system, new playbook, etc., yet insisting Malik should get a free pass because he busted his ass in '99.

[whottt]

Yeah I am complaining about trading a proven veteran for an inexperience one, for financial reasons, in the middle of the best run in team history...

yeah that pissed me off.

Even still...I haven't ripped Nazr since the Clippers game...you called me out.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Your proven veteran was sitting on the ing pine behind 85 year old Tony Massenberg and 72 year old Robert Horry.

He was a black Jack Hailey for this team this year, get over it.

[timvp]

Major props to Nazr for his defensive work against the Grizzlies. If he can play defense like that, the Spurs will be able to use him for extended minutes in the playoffs.

[whottt]

Your proven veteran was sitting on the ing pine behind 85 year old Tony Massenberg and 72 year old Robert Horry.

He got beat out by Horry...Horry's good.

He was a black Jack Hailey for this team this year, get over it.

LMAO ahh the hypochrisy:

And according to some random NY Knick fans Whott quoted to death, he can't play D.

Who was dwelling on the past?

Don't run get over it smack when you are the one bringing up past issues and arguments...if you bring them up I am gonna argue about them.

And 4 games as a starter doesn't prove ...

Hedo had 4 good games as a starter too...

No matter you may want to believe...Nazr hasn't been admitted to the HOF yet...and we don't have a trophy yet.

1 good defensive game does not mean he is a good defensive player.

Basically he's done what he was supposed to do with regards to o boards and has had 1 good game on D...he hasn't been good off the bench yet and you can't say that he will be...yet.

[pjjrfan]

The thing I always liked about Malik was and is his toughness. He is a guy whose tenacity helped this team win 2 les. I have had a big problem with Nazr and I admit that he has had a great run this last four games, but that may come and go, what has made me change my mind about Nazr is his toughness. Starting with the Mav's loss he came in the second half and just started to push people around, and kicking ass, and he has contined to do this while settling into his role and not trying to do more than what is asked of him. When he flipped Prysbilla like a rag doll I realy started liking him more. This team doesn't need another scorer so much as a guy who will come out and fight, the way Malik did. Rasho has a tendency to wilt against physical play, but Nazr seems to thrive on it, and as a Spurs fan I gotta like that.

I still think Nazr has no balance on his shots, which makes even an easy jumper look hard for him, but he is excellent at put backs, and dunks when he is open unlike Rasho who has to gather himself before making his move and thus allows defenders to close the gap and make it hard for him to score. And I guess he has another Malik trait, butterfingers. But I forgave Malik for that as long as he brought that toughness and physical play, so I can do the same for Nazr, I just wish he would work on his footwork, like that nifty move he made to go between two Grizz for an easy layup.

But I still don't think he should start over Rasho, Rasho's knowledge of our schemes and his familiarity with the starters doesn't make it a feasible move IMO.

[Mark in Austin]

Hey whottt, wasn't one of you cornerstone arguements the post-trade records of the two teams? Whenever somebody brought up injuries to thr Spurs lineup, you responded with "I don't care, look at the records." Have you looked at the records lately post trade? This was one of your major points about why the trade sucked.

Knicks record post-trade: 11-14
Spurs Record post-trade: 17-9

No excuses. Scoreboard was the only thing that mattered according to you.

[T Park]

What was his excuse for yanking his jersey over his head.





If anything exemplifies the asshole qualities of the Malik haters I'd say this does it....

it makes me an asshole for asking a question??

Cause I brought up the boneheaded of bonehead plays?


Your are in serious Malik Roseitis delusion.

Nice Post MIA.


WHott will throw out, well well well well, WE STILL LOST GAMES EARLY!!!!

[whottt]

Hey whottt, wasn't one of you cornerstone arguements the post-trade records of the two teams? Whenever somebody brought up injuries to thr Spurs lineup, you responded with "I don't care, look at the records." Have you looked at the records lately post trade? This was one of your major points about why the trade sucked.

Knicks record post-trade: 11-14
Spurs Record post-trade: 17-9

Right. And I've also been saying the trade didn't hurt the team as badly as I feared due to the improved play of Nazr recently.

Matter of fact, prior to being called out in this thread by those who flatly refuse to admit how badly Nazr sucked up until a week ago...by those that don't seem to realize that he was behind Marks not too long ago...I hadn't bashed Nazr or the trade since the Clipper game...

In fact I had been giving Nazr props for his improved play at the same time giving the Spurs credit for signing Glenn Robinson, and saying those two things decreased the negative impact of the trade...

Those acting like I had done nothing but non-stop are still suffering from the same observational defficiencies that lead them to conclude this trade had no negative impacts in the first place .

No excuses. Scoreboard was the only thing that mattered according to you.

Yeah...and that's why I haven't been doing any bashing since the Clipper game..until getting called out by those that are acting like Nazr has torn it up the entire time here...