Is there ANY possible way? (Big Dog)

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Why would I be mad at Pop?

Some say it was Pop's failure to adjust but I didn't see that. What I saw was two factors:

1. Refing after game two was shaded toward the Lakers allowing much more physical defense. In particular Malone was allowed to be very pysical with Duncan, his favorite being pushing into Duncan as Duncan was releasing his shot, moving Duncan away from the basket and making the shot fall short. This was done repe ively and was why for the first time in years of TD - Malone matchups Duncan could be "guarded" by Malone.

2.Collapse of Spurs perimeter shooting. Can't hang that on Pop.

[Troll]

Why would I be mad at Pop?

Ok I take it you did not see the games. dude everyone in San Antonio and in [/b]all[/b] the websites wanted Pop's head on a plate.

That was embarassing to see the spurs go out like that, Where was you?

Some say it was Pop's failure to adjust but I didn't see that. What I saw was two factors:

No Plays I see them to :lamo

1. Refing after game two was shaded toward the Lakers allowing much more physical defense. In particular Malone was allowed to be very pysical with Duncan, his favorite being pushing into Duncan as Duncan was releasing his shot, moving Duncan away from the basket and making the shot fall short. This was done repe ively and was why for the first time in years of TD - Malone matchups Duncan could be "guarded" by Malone.

2.Collapse of Spurs perimeter shooting. Can't hang that on Pop.

That was good, I think like you, but when your ready to pull your head out of the sand let me know

[Rick Von Braun]

These are my 2 cents:

Unless Big Dog gets in the playoff roster AND plays spectacularly in the playoffs, the Spurs will not offer him more than 1.5M/year max in the best case scenario.

If Robinson gets any offer from any team with more money on the table, he'll take it, ring or no ring this year. There is no way the Spurs keep Manu, Bowen, Barry, Brown and Robinson as swingmen in the team. If Robinson plays any good in the playoffs, he would like to get paid AND go to a team where he can play more minutes to increase his value/stats. If he doesn't play any good, why would the Spurs be interested in him in the first place. The Spurs are renting him for a couple of months for cheap, not as a long term investment.

The Spurs will use part of the MLE to sign Scola (up to ~9-11M for 3 years, 4th year team option), use their rights to re-sign Devin (up to ~9-11M for 3 years, 4th year team option), and try to resign Horry, TM and Marks for vets min contracts. Horry may get a larger contract depending on peformance and the remaining part of the MLE.

The only investment I see the Spurs doing next season is in a long SF if they are not satisfied with LJIII. They could get someone in the draft. An athletic center may be in their plans as well, but those are much more difficult to get, unless there is a trade involved.

[MadDog73]

Hey, what happened to the Mavs last year? I already forgot....

I doubt any NBA fan will forget 0.4 seconds. I know the Spurs won't, which is just one of the reasons I think the Spurs will win this year.

But hey, at least the Mighty Mighty Mavs are beating the Lakers by 5 points right now!

[cherylsteele]

Pssssst ! you can't buy your ring every year, Just ask Mark Cuban

With that logic...Cuban has yet to "buy" any kind of ring......except out of a Cracker Jack box.

So you now say we "bought" ring? I don't ever hear of the Spurs throwing money around like Cuban does and yet Cuban and the Mavs have yet to show anything for it.

[ShoogarBear]

I pretty much agree with RVB and whottt.

Here's a simple way of looking at it:
-Glenn Robinson is not going to play anywhere next year where he cant' be a starter.
-Glenn Robinson is not going to start for the Spurs.

This is a mutual-needs deal. The Spurs need another scorer, Robinson needs some cred for his next contract negotiation. If it works out according to plan, Big Dog gets himself a ring and a nice fat new contract.

[cherylsteele]

I personally would not be surprised or upset if he were to go elsewhere next year....I am just saying that there is always a chance of him staying.....I understand why he was brought here....I like the move...I think it was very shrewd move.

It is kinda like the reason 'Nique was signed....He was supposed to be a scorer off the bench....for a possible playoff run....but due to injuries, all thoser plans fell through.

GRob has had problem with at ude....but he was never a "thug" like Malone and those types......his at ude may have been due to the teammates he had in the past....so far he has been a "good citizen".

[ChumpDumper]

Horry may get a larger contract depending on peformance and the remaining part of the MLE.

Unnecessary. Even though the Spurs renounced Horry last summer, they will have early Bird rights to him next summer. Whottt will verfy this as I am leaving for SA now.

[whottt]

Whatever, he can still opt out for more $$$ if winked by the Spurs, he can play again and still get a small raise over the min, or he can retire and still get paid...stop trying to pretend it's a normal vet min deal.

And I don't remember the Spurs renouncing his rights...In fact, I didn't think they had any rights to him to renounce after 1 season ....what are they called? Early worm rights? Insomniatic bird rights?

[grjr]

I think they had a team option on Horry for $5mil his second season.

[Brodels]

Sure thing prediction: Big Dog won't be back.

Out-on-a-limb prediction: Devin won't be back, either.

[whottt]

Well that would certainly be a good reason to renounce the living out of his rights...but Chump needs to realize that does not change a thing concerning my arguments this past offseason...GFY chump, they still made every concession they could to Horry given the room that they had after paying Manu and getting a shooter, and you don't know what was promised...or what Horry intends to do. Renouncing a 5.5 million contract was certainly understandable...but that doesn't justify nearly losing Horry by showing no interest whatsoever after the fact becasue of a lame ass Malone pursuit.

Look at how well he has played...he is a freaking steal for the Spurs...would you like to see him across from us on the Heat? IF so you are a fool.

So go ahead and and make you little trip to San Antonio...you can run but you can't hide. .

[xcoriate]

Look at how well he has played...he is a freaking steal for the Spurs

Thankyou, I've sad it all along Horry has one of the best "bang for buck" vet contracts in the nba. He bring so much to the table for so little $$$.

Who were the ones calling for his head earlier in the season? Come on.

[juncan]

I have a question that If Scola joins the Spurs this summer,he's just a rookie,I remember when Manu came in 2002,he got a sign of not more than 150 million.

Why your guys say that give him part of MCE?

Thanks.

[Rick Von Braun]

I have a question that If Scola joins the Spurs this summer,he's just a rookie,I remember when Manu came in 2002,he got a sign of not more than 150 million.

Why your guys say that give him part of MCE?

Thanks.

Hi Juncan,

I assumed you meant $1.5M, not $150M

Second round draftees are not bound by any salary scale (as oppose to 1st rounders). Therefore, the Spurs can pay him whatever they want (bound to the salary cap limitations). Since the Spurs are over the cap, they will have to use all or part of the MLE (~$5M). In the case of Scola, he'll have to pay ~$2M to Tau Ceramica for his contract buyout, and when you consider 40-50% tax as a foreigner in a high income bracket*, he may need something around 3 years $9-11M to get roughly $1.8-2M per year (there is a minimum amount of money they have to pay him in the first year in order for him to pay off his buyout and taxes).

In the case of Manu, his buyout was much smaller ($750K), and the Spurs payed little less than half of it ($350k allowed by the NBA rules). The rest was payed with a bonus.

*NOTE: he could get incorporated to reduce the amount of taxes, but there are some limitations when you are a foreigner. After one year of living and working in the States, he could start playing more games with some loopholes.

Cheers

[Rick Von Braun]

Sure thing prediction: Big Dog won't be back.

Out-on-a-limb prediction: Devin won't be back, either.

Not so out-on-a-limb... Denver and Chicago will go after Devin aggressively this Summer. The 'good' thing for the Spurs is that his back problems may scare some people and keep his price down. The bad thing for Devin is that recurrent back problems may scare even the Spurs.

[whottt]

I thought Scola's contract was up after this season?

[whottt]

In that case we are looking at giving him the entire MLE...who do you guys think is more worth that? The former All Star #1 pick with the best midrange in the game @ the MLE for 1 season, or the unproven Euro Rookie @ the MLE for 2-3? And SF is a greater need than a back up for Duncan...or Rasho/Nazr/Horry/Marks/Mass.

Not saying we can get Big Dogg for that, but if the best he gets offered is 6 mil or something a year...he might want to sign on with us for another ring @ the MLE and try to earn a bigger contract.

[ChumpDumper]

Nice try, Spanky.

A minimum contract is a minimum contract. I said Horry was great for the minimum and that no one would pay him more after he disappeared against the Lakers. Your gnashing of teeth and ing about Bob's hurt feelings were just more bull on your pile.

[ChumpDumper]

And tell me how the minutes break down and which one of our four multimillion dollar swingmen get traded because there is no way in the Spurs keep them all.

[baseline bum]

I'd rather sign Scola than Robinson. Horry doesn't have much left.

[whottt]

Nice try, Spanky.

A minimum contract is a minimum contract. I said Horry was great for the minimum and that no one would pay him more after he disappeared against the Lakers. Your gnashing of teeth and ing about Bob's hurt feelings were just more bull on your pile.

And I said the Spurs should at least let Horry know they want him back...something he was claiming they weren't doing at the time...he was doing this after we were capped out asshat...so it obviously wasn't about getting paid this season...and if we had gotten Malone Horry wouldn't be here...and that's something else you were stupid about also. Don't confuse luck with being right.

And stop bringing up the stupid minimum contract like it was a seminal point ass hat...We were already capped out when the discussion began and he didn't sign a ing minimum contract anyway.

You said Horry and treat him like a dog scrub is what you said....it's what you always say, unless it's a choker...and then you can't get enough of them. Choker loving .

[ChumpDumper]

And stop bringing up the stupid minimum contract like it was a seminal point

It is.

We were already capped out when the discussion began

Only you weren't aware of it.

he didn't sign a ing minimum contract anyway.

Sure he did.

You said Horry and treat him like a dog scrub is what you said.

Nope. Don't lie. I was counting on Malone to be upfront and he was. We didn't have to wait and Horry didn't get any other offers. Why are you so angry about my being right? It's just like the Barry bet.

[whottt]

It is.

No it isn't...it wasn't.

Only you weren't aware of it.

What I wasn't aware of was that there was a team option for another year...Bottom line is that at the time of the argument we were capped out and yes I did know that.

Sure he did.Nope. Don't lie. I was counting on Malone to be upfront and he was.

Oh yeah Malone was real ing admirably upfront...6 months later.

We didn't have to wait and Horry didn't get any other offers.

That's not true...he did get other offers...he got an offer from the Heat and someone else IIRC. But he wanted to play for the Spurs, contend for a ring, and be close to home...and the Spurs were basically telling him to get ed until late in the offseason. All it took was the Spurs showing interest...which is what they finally did.

You wanted the choker over the clutch guy a ing gain. Be glad Malone didn't sign his old ass up here at the expense of Horry.

And before you try it...I didn't start advocating the signing of Malone until Horry was already signed.

Why are you so angry about my being right? It's just like the Barry bet.

I am not angry about you being right about Barry...#1 I don't ever get angry with you...it's like...When you burn ants with a magnifying glass are you doing it out of anger?

#2. The ant does sting you every once in a while...but If I was right anynore than I already am you'd be hopelessly defeated and afraid to argue with me. It already takes a herculean effort just to get you to stop being vague and get off the ing fence......so enjoy your one time of "right", to go with all that "wrong"...Chump!

[ChumpDumper]

Oh yeah Malone was real ing admirably upfront.

He said don't wait. So we didn't and signed Horry -- and yet you still find a way to be angry about it. Just because you are a spiteful pussy doesn't mean you can project your pussiness onto professional basketball players. And if Manu, Barry and Horry were pussies like you, I would indeed want them to right off -- which was something you predictably never understood I was saying all along. Fortunately for all of us they are made of sterner stuff than the likes of you.