LMAO Express-News

[D-rob fan]

Guys, be reasonable. Express-News does its best to cover the team. Sometimes their articles suck (ok a lot of the time lol), but they try. At the very least, they give us quotes from the team. All they are asking is that all of their work doesn't get copy and pasted word for word in your posts. Its a business and if you want to see more of their articles, just go to their website.

I really don't see a problem with what they are requesting. Its messed up to copy and paste entire articles into your topic, even if you do give a link.

I agree. I don't think it's unreasonable. We hear from the news constantly that the phyical newspaper industry is struggling more and more every year. To compensate for this, they post online content and offer their services for free to the users and shifting their main source of revenue to advertising. This advertising revenue is contingent on the number of visitors to their site. If we post their articles in its entirety, they lose visitors and dont get the credit they deserve. As much as some people dont like their articles, its a business and someone's livelihood is contingent on that business.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I'm going to have my attorney send Kori a letter of some sort.

[Kori Ellis]

I'm going to have my attorney send Kori a letter of some sort.

Thanks.

[rayray2k8]

im not defending the E-N, just journalists in general, but a main difference between blogs and and actual journalism is that rumors have to be confirmed. So that's usually what takes awhile

How many times is it usually right?
I thought so.
Even when there was a thread rumor going on out there, it usually got updated constantly to be proven or disapproved.

[angel_luv]

They want the traffic on their site because they make advertising money by the number of visitors to their site.

That makes sense. Thanks for explaining.

My blog was never frequented enough for me to reap the benefits of heavy traffic, sadly. I remember being so happy when two or three people actually read my articles.

[Spurminator]

Since the Express News does not charge a fee to read their articles online ( at least they do not to my knowledge,) I don't see that it matters so much where their articles are posted so long as their writers are credited for having written them.

Free publicity is a good thing- I thought.

Can someone explain to me how this make senses for the Express News from a business point of view? I am curious.

Their thinking is that people are reading the articles here, instead of at their website. If they lose web traffic, they lose ad revenue, because those are sold based on impressions/click-thru's/acquisitions, etc.

It's pretty ridiculous though. If you add up all of the "thread views" of EN articles on SpursTalk.com, it would not reach a number that would translate to a significant amount of ad revenue.

[usckk]

Just to be clear, by the law, they are correct. However, it has long been a courtesy between internet sites to just provide a link back with articles...particularly on high trafficked sites like ours. Because they do get traffic from our links back to them.

I get their point, but I do think they will end up getting less traffic from SpursTalk readers because of their request.

True, and they also use SpursTalk as a means to generate ideas for their articles. It's not a coincidence that some of their "original" articles resemble the ones posted here by TimVP.

For me, it was SpursTalk that let me know about MySA.com. I used to go there all the time to try to get to the articles first without relying on someone to post the articles on the forums. I have only stopped going there because of the elementary articles that have been released since John Ludden left. You have Yahoo Sports! covering the Spurs better than the local news source, which is sad.

This makes me not want to read anything from them anymore. *DELETING MYSA.com from bookmark favorites.*

[austN Spur]

I usually would buy the express news for the pictures or "spur specials". When they went up to 75 cents i said F that I dont need those pictures that bad and stopped buying their papers then so, i'll just continue to say no to these fools. Bring Back the San Antonio light

[FromWayDowntown]

So, do you need me to draft the letter to the E-N advising them to stop using SpursTalk materials in their newspaper and on their website, demanding that they give attribution by hyperlink, and insisting that they limit their regurgitation to two sentences or less?

:-)

[Dr. Gonzo]

I only subscribe so I can get coupons on Sunday mornings.

[mexicanjunior]

I'm too lazy to have to go to Express News to read their crap...and I think most people are also. They are just hurting themselves...

[timvp]

Can someone explain to me how this make senses for the Express News from a business point of view? I am curious.

The more hits they get on their website, the more money they can make via advertising. They obviously conclude that SpursTalk is hurting their traffic.

However, I doubt this "demand" will do anything to substantially raise their traffic in the short-term and probably isn't a smart long-term move. But I guess we'll see. With the newspaper industry dying, they are no doubt desperate to squeeze out as many hits as possible.

[Kori Ellis]

So, do you need me to draft the letter to the E-N advising them to stop using SpursTalk materials in their newspaper and on their website, demanding that they give attribution by hyperlink, and insisting that they limit their regurgitation to two sentences or less?

:-)

That would be awesome.

[Trainwreck2100]

I usually would buy the express news for the pictures or "spur specials". When they went up to 75 cents i said F that I dont need those pictures that bad and stopped buying their papers then so, i'll just continue to say no to these fools. Bring Back the San Antonio light

its actually $1 now

[leo_d]

Right. They could have just emailed or PM'd us first rather than having their attorney send a demand letter.

im not a lawyer, but i guess they wanted to present a formal request so they have precedent that allows them to go after monetary arrengments if you don`t respect that request from this moment on.

[Lebowski Brickowski]

Unnamed sports desk jockey at EN to his boss:

"I get all these great story ideas at this one website called SpursTalk, but then, after I write up the article, they go and post it!"

[angel_luv]

FWD- And send a letter to the paper's editor and sign it from all 2,000 members of Spurstalk ( or however many of us there are now.)

[austN Spur]

Seems more like a demand than a request, and I think it's the general tone that ellicits an "f you" response.

They could have asked a lot more nicely. If they want to go all Texas Hammer on ST.com, 'em.

I agree with both these statements

[Bartleby]

[Trainwreck2100]

I only subscribe so I can get coupons on Sunday mornings.

haha i work at a place that sells them, and i have a customer that just buys it for the tvguide, so i separate it for her and she gives me the rest to throw away. I keep the coupons though

[Dr. Gonzo]

Does this go for the other forums as well or just Spurs related material?

[4>0rings]

im not a lawyer, but i guess they wanted to present a formal request so they have precedent that allows them to go after monetary arrengments if you don`t respect that request from this moment on.

[Dr. Gonzo]

haha i work at a place that sells them, and i have a customer that just buys it for the tvguide, so i separate it for her and she gives me the rest to throw away. I keep the coupons though

Which Valero do you work at?

[austN Spur]

its actually $1 now

thats crazy. if my tio was still alive he would be kick their door down start whooping ass and taking names.
I've been in austin a year now, can't believe they charge a dollar now

[Trainwreck2100]

im not a lawyer, but i guess they wanted to present a formal request so they have precedent that allows them to go after monetary arrengments if you don`t respect that request from this moment on.

yeah but they could have asked nicely the first time, and if ST ignores it, then send a letter. However they wanted to be dbags so em