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    Cogito Ergo Sum LnGrrrR's Avatar
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    Then don't break the law. Stay in your country and accomplish the steps of legal immigration by getting in line behind all the others who are obeying the law.

    To break and enter this country you are a criminal. Your future then is forever corrupted and therefore compromised.

    And hope you get picked in the green card lottery...

    I mean, can people not understand that it IS obviously illegal, but some considerations might come into play? Like, that some parts of Mexico are run by drug dealers and life sucks balls there?

    I understand being against illegal immigration; I just don't get the cavalier at ude towards people who are willing to risk life and limb to get into this wonderful country.

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    Not only the smartest but the most charismatic and the work isn't complete...He's just getting started but will transform this nation into something far greater than Neocons can imagine.... all of the founding fathers they were rapists and slave owning thugs...I honor them with piss on their memories...

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    And hope you get picked in the green card lottery...

    I mean, can people not understand that it IS obviously illegal, but some considerations might come into play? Like, that some parts of Mexico are run by drug dealers and life sucks balls there?

    I understand being against illegal immigration; I just don't get the cavalier at ude towards people who are willing to risk life and limb to get into this wonderful country.
    These people should stay in there country then "risk life and limb" to reform it. Breaking and entering this country because their country is run by law breakers is ludicrous.

    The "consideration" is the application for immigration to this country. Due process ending in acceptance with allegiance to this country.

    Rewarding these criminals now with amnesty and citizenship cannot happen and must not happen.

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    I just don't get the cavalier at ude towards people who are willing to risk life and limb to get into this wonderful country.

    If you had to live around the crime and at ude illegals have towards this country on a daily basis you would. The tale that illegals sneak into this country because they love America and want to be American is a joke. Illegals sneak into this country to be parasites and suck at the American teet.

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    Hussein Obama is the President now. The 15 million unemployed are his responsibility. The boys flying into Dover, AFB dead as door nails are his responsibility. That oil slick out in the Gulf is his responsibility.

    Stings, don't it?

    Actually it doesn't....Hussein Obama is his name... he should be proud of it...it reminds me of an old James Brown quote: " Say it LOUD...I'm Black and I'm Proud".... get over yourself...he's going down as the greatest Prez in history...Let the black guy bring honor and decency back to this ed up country of malcontents and hicks...sit back and watch his accomplishments and get blue in the face all ing day.... I'm good...

    Rock on Obama....

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    Hussein Obama is his name... he should be proud of it.
    No, it's actually Barry Sartoro, but, that's neither here nor there.

  7. #57
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    These people should stay in there country then "risk life and limb" to reform it. Breaking and entering this country because their country is run by law breakers is ludicrous.
    I'm not sure if you have family, but given a choice between breaking the law by entering another country illegally, or seeing my family starve, I can't say I wouldn't pick the former. Especially since it's not like everyone can "get in line". If you're not married to a citizen, or a skilled worker, you just have to hope each yearthat your name gets called.

    I definitely understand the moral hazard of amnesty for illegal immigrants. However, I would rather provide a path to citizenship than not, because we can collect money from them and then get them paying taxes.

    With no path to citizenship, then illegal immigrants will try staying hidden, forcig state departments to spend money on police, courts etc etc.

    And then you get to the "anchor baby" thing...

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    If you had to live around the crime and at ude illegals have towards this country on a daily basis you would. The tale that illegals sneak into this country because they love America and want to be American is a joke. Illegals sneak into this country to be parasites and suck at the American teet.
    I don't think it's as onesided as American Dream seeker, or as one sided as parasites. I'm sure there's a bell curve distribution of personalities.

    I do think illegal immigrants who wave the Mexican flag in rallies and denigrate the States are pretty damn re ed.

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    I'm not sure if you have family, but given a choice between breaking the law by entering another country illegally, or seeing my family starve, I can't say I wouldn't pick the former. Especially since it's not like everyone can "get in line". If you're not married to a citizen, or a skilled worker, you just have to hope each yearthat your name gets called.

    I definitely understand the moral hazard of amnesty for illegal immigrants. However, I would rather provide a path to citizenship than not, because we can collect money from them and then get them paying taxes.

    With no path to citizenship, then illegal immigrants will try staying hidden, forcig state departments to spend money on police, courts etc etc.

    And then you get to the "anchor baby" thing...
    The path to citizenship is to go home and get in line. Sure, it's sucks. There is no guarantee that you'll be accepted. That's life. Life isn't fair.

    I'd like to have a million dollars, but, if that looks to be impossible, if I'm convinced it can't happen legally, I've no right to rob banks until I get my million.

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    I don't think it's as onesided as American Dream seeker, or as one sided as parasites. I'm sure there's a bell curve distribution of personalities.

    I do think illegal immigrants who wave the Mexican flag in rallies and denigrate the States are pretty damn re ed.

    Then you understand why Cubby and I are bitter towards the stained behavior we see every day. Mexico obviously wasn't too bad for the illegals waiving the Mexican flag around in the street behaving like they still live in Mexico. When my ancestors came here they didn't dance around with a Russian flag, they hated Russia, were glad to leave and took pride in becoming American.

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    I know you're used to listening to talk radio to get your talking points...I can tell by how freely you use the word liberal...but I'm more complex than that sorry son...I'm conservative when it comes to crime especially by Militia groups and Neocons...I'm liberal when it comes to pros ution....

    and for the record...Obama is tackling the issues as he see's best...Illegal Immigration wasn't started on his watch and it won't end on his watch...but check...

    1. Healthcare reform -- done
    2. Financial reform -- complete
    3. Gay Reform (something I'm sure you're looking forward to) he's thrown a carrot to the gay and lesbian groups...DADT repeal process started
    4. Immigration reform is pending...so calm your fake ass hillbilly ass down...
    1. Health care reform -- completely ed, the majority of the country doesn't want his Obamacare
    2. Financial reform -- yep, that's all going hunky dory
    3. Gay reform -- Oh so now he's reforming gays If you're talking about the don't as don't tell, I don't have a problem with that, but he better have a contingency plan in place, because I've served in the military and I'm telling you right now....that's not going to go over smoothly. The military sector is NOT like the private sector.
    4 Immigration reform is pending -- it's been "pending" for YEARS. You're dumbass will suck up everything that's spoon fed to you won't you.



    Umm sorry bub, I don't listen to talk radio....don't have the time for it when I'm working in the field and can barely hear my self think. Try again.

    Uh oh...I said "bub", guess that's the "country ass hick" in me.

    P.S.

    There are no hills in Houston dumbass This is what I love about "liberals". They preach about understanding and tolerance, but whenever someone doesn't agree with them they start talking about "these people" , try to pain everybody a racist, hick, or hillbilly. Right out of the playbook And we're supposed to take you serious.

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    The path to citizenship is to go home and get in line. Sure, it's sucks. There is no guarantee that you'll be accepted. That's life. Life isn't fair.

    I'd like to have a million dollars, but, if that looks to be impossible, if I'm convinced it can't happen legally, I've no right to rob banks until I get my million.

    I've never heard that argument before but it's brilliant.

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    Mexico obviously wasn't too bad for the illegals waiving the Mexican flag around in the street behaving like they still live in Mexico. When my ancestors came here they didn't dance around with a Russian flag, they hated Russia, were glad to leave and took pride in becoming American.
    Going, going, gone.

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    The path to citizenship is to go home and get in line. Sure, it's sucks. There is no guarantee that you'll be accepted. That's life. Life isn't fair.
    If you feel that way, then that's your right. I'd rather get something out of all the people already here in the form of taxes.

    If you would rather just kick them out, I can't say that's not a fair decision. Just one I wouldn't make.

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    Man, these illegals look like they really hate Mexico and are proud to be in America!


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    I have a question for both sides. How Mexico is not considered a terrorist nation? The drugs and criminals that have flooded this country have been much more of a threat than any other terrorist nation.

    The open border is a growing terrorist threat everyday with the MS-13s reportedly beginning to do deals with Al-Queda.

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    Man, these illegals look like they really hate Mexico and are proud to be in America!

    People like to pretend these folks don't realize the SW used to be Mexican territory. They don't want to leave Mexico, they want to re-expand it.

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    The open border is a growing terrorist threat everyday with the MS-13s reportedly beginning to do deals with Al-Queda.
    See, that's the funny thing. I think a great deal of people on both sides of the aisle want border security upgraded.

    However, the people in power using them are most likely what's preventing meaningul work gettin done.

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    Figured I'd share a somewhat personal take while we are on the subject...

    My wife had a VISA when I met her, so she was legal, and we ended up getting her green card. Soon she will be eilgible for citizenship. While she is looking forward to being an American and all the privileges that entails, she still thinks she will has
    pride in her former country, EVEN THOUGH she knows how bad it sucks.

    She is proud of the culture of her people, just not the country as it is now, especially the government. I'm sure she will tear up during the Oath, both in joy and sadness.

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    Obama hasn't done anything for gays. He has even stated that he does not support gay marriage and has said that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman. How can gays support this guy? Obama is just like Bush except for the fact that he is black(half black) a Democrat, and he's not from the South.

    Why is it that the Suns can do this but Curt Schilling was blasted for supporting Bush and McCain publicly? Double standard?

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    Hey you ing idiot, stop making threads.

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    Now switch it around, Ln, and imagine your life if she were here illegally. It'd be worthless and your hearts would be broken.

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    Why is it that the Suns can do this but Curt Schilling was blasted for supporting Bush and McCain publicly? Double standard?

    The Suns are doing this about something that has caused tons of uproar and faces tons of opposition. Schilling decided to be a staunch, outspoken republican in the state of Massachusetts, and in addition is just a royal prick. His nickname while he was on Arizona was "dinner for 1".

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    Now switch it around, Ln, and imagine your life if she were here illegally. It'd be worthless and your hearts would be broken.
    Eh, not really. It just means she would have to go back to Mexico until her green card came through, which would suck admittedly.

    I wouldn't have stopped loving her though if I found out she was an illegal immigrant. I wouldve just had to find a way to work that out. (of course that would have been easier said than done, since her hometown is being pretty much terrorized by drug dealers

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    Eh, not really. It just means she would have to go back to Mexico until her green card came through, which would suck admittedly.

    I wouldn't have stopped loving her though if I found out she was an illegal immigrant. I wouldve just had to find a way to work that out. (of course that would have been easier said than done, since her hometown is being pretty much terrorized by drug dealers
    Exactly, it would indeed be worthless until it was made whole, pure and legal.

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