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This guy D2Procon is some kind of stupid.
So if you're worshipping the wrong god, he could be pissed at you following a rival (Christian/Muslim/Jewish god sure would be), thus making your Pascal's Wager argument wrong.
This guy D2Procon is some kind of stupid.
The best thing about your argument is the logical fallacy.
Your premise is that something cannot come from nothing, then you go outside of your premise to prove it. When asked what God came from, you claim that he always was. You're begging the question.
Also, I have yet to find an atheist who believes that we came from nothing.
Ugggghhhhhhhhhh.... I hate militant atheism myself, but damn, don't feed the trolls.
One can come to the conclusion that there was a big bang from looking at the evidence.
You fail so hard.
You cannot try to put a scientific explanation and a supernatural one in the same category.
There is no reason to believe in the supernatural when there is zero evidence that it exists.
And I'm sorry that you don't want to become an atheist because the truth doesn't "feel good." You just can't accept that there is no inherent meaning in life, so you give it one to make it seem worthwhile.
Thank goodness. We don't get enough of those 'round these parts.
Worst. Religion. Thread. Ever.
If he did exist, it would make sense for him to convince atheists himself. But he doesn't exist, so that will never happen.
Why should it be a God's imperative to prove himself to everyone?
lol religion.
If anything is proven, it's that mankind has made many, many, many wrong conclusions based on the evidence put before them. Which applies to science, religion, and just about everything else.
I didn't get that it was an imperative, just that it would make sense. You want worshipers? You want people "saved"? OK. Just sky write on the moon every night for a year a message that appears in the language of each viewer "Behave and go to church". Then for another additional month "Yeah, I really mean it". Instant religious planet. Why all the tap dancing and coy behavior? Why did the old timers get their chariots in the sky and burning bushes and angels we get bupkus?
Damn, why do they always go to this. What a freakin stupid argument. I remember the first time I heard this piece of trash argument, I thought to myself "wow this guy has no respect for this God he purports to believe in." If there were an all knowing God, I am pretty sure that he or she or it would know when they are being tricked by someone who is "just believing" to get their foot in the door.
The thing that always got me as a kid growing up is " if God made the universe then who or what made God?" The same argument "something from nothing" would still apply to God too. Somewhere he had to pop out of nothing.
QFT
If God knew you were some pussy who only believed in him so you didn't have to go to then he wouldn't want your got ass stinking up his place anyway.
Because they were trippin' balls on some psychedelic plants and . Funny too, considering nowadays if you do shrooms and "talk to God" then you're just crazy... , anyone "talking to God" nowadays is considered crazy.
Yes, they are mutually exclusive.
You are a sheep who has rationalized your faith and taken up the explanation.
The fact is that science is the threat to religion 500 years ago, and it remains to this day. It will continue to destroy it.
So the Church will want to say "oooh, it's ok, you can believe in both!"
Because they know that they lost the war on science.
To practice science, you must depend on your mind, to question all things, and seek the rational, natural explanation to all things.
To practice religion, God did it. Unquestioning obedience.
Please, it's a bronze age relic. Don't be so ing naive.
I can't stand bags like this just as much as the right wing religious extreme assholes who shove that around to an obnoxious level too. You're no better than they are!
Also, you're wrong. Scientists have to display a level of faith in their theories because they aren't proven facts. The origin of the universe isn't a proven fact so everyone with an idea on it has to display faith in their choice.
MH cracks me up.
What finally turned me away from the church was the all-too-common response to questions like these.
Them - "He has no beginning, and no end."
Me - "...but how could God have ALWAYS existed? He had to have come from somewhere, right?"
Them - "His ways are beyond our ways. Our feeble human minds obviously can't fully encompass or understand all that God is."
Me -
and what does faith in their HYPOTHESIS have to do with faith in a god?
What does that have to do with "science and faith aren't at war with each other"
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because they both have the word "faith" at one point in their methodology?
LOL.
I guess we are the same as the radical muslims. We aren't at war with them. They have faith that they are right, and we have faith that we are right!
The church is very good at adapting.
They will take new stances on anything if it means they can survive and keep their followers.
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