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Unions are part of the problem. I don't think any forklift drivers deserve 100k/year, unless that's what the market is willing to pay them.
Green cars (we have the car factories)
Clothes for obese people (we have the models)
Pornography (a growing industry in the country)
Bongs, pipes (manufacturing jobs for drug felons)
CliffNotes, SparkNotes (lord knows, we don't read)
Eh, there's nothing we can't fuck up somehow
I don't think Darrin keeps track of what he says. He's inattentive in general.
Unions are part of the problem. I don't think any forklift drivers deserve 100k/year, unless that's what the market is willing to pay them.
When unions negotiate their rates thats not what the market is willing to pay them? If the market is not willing to pay them that much then how exactly are they getting that?
I have to disagree.
The quality, the sound, the reliability are all vastly superior IMO, plus you can also find these boutique amps on the used market and it almost makes it a no-brainer. A used quality amp to last a lifetime or a cheap china built rattlebox that won't last for pretty much the same price.
When unions negotiate their rates thats not what the market is willing to pay them? If the market is not willing to pay them that much then how exactly are they getting that?
Sure did wonders for GM.
Bad business model is a . GM shouldn't have signed the contract if it was unsustainable.
It's not a linear arrangement tho, Manny. You don't pay $1.00 for a $1.00 increase in quality or reliablity....completely different metrics. I'll gladly pay an additional $500 for an amp that sounds a little nicer and gives me a longer service life because, it's a pain in the ass when an amp craps out on ya when you're on the road or on stage.
You'd be surprised just how many of these boutique amps are sold these days. It's not an insignficant number.
Exactly. Management and the unions both take the hit on the GM deal....and ultimately management moreso. They're the ones who are supposed to be able to forecast costs/sales.
Darrinbot did the market set those rates or not?
I'm not an amp expert so the point wasn't to focus on whether or not these amps are worth it but rather than on the whole paying for anything botique implies a greater appreciation for an item and the willingness to pay for that extra OOMPH that you enjoy.It's not a linear arrangement tho, Manny. You don't pay $1.00 for a $1.00 increase in quality or reliablity....completely different metrics. I'll gladly pay an additional $500 for an amp that sounds a little nicer and gives me a longer service life because, it's a pain in the ass when an amp craps out on ya when you're on the road or on stage.
You'd be surprised just how many of these boutique amps are sold these days. It's not an insignficant number.
However, for the general market that is never going to be the case or else the item would not be a boutique item.
Having good quality is a great thing. Having boutique quality at botique prices is not something that will every succeed on a large scale by the very definition of boutique.
Yeah, I see the mass sales/boutique paradox. However, the class of boutique amps together has a retail amp impact on the market.
Mercedes has made bank on that concept for a century.
Chinese can build as high quality products as we do, for cheaper too. It really has little to do with this problem. The reason you don't see more high quality products, or just see a threshold drawn at some point, is because the demand is in cheaper, lower quality products, and the companies that makes them are, in general, happy to oblige.
That is a nice simplistic observation. Are Americans suppose to compete for jobs that pay several bowls of rice per day?
Maybe the real answer is to drop the gobalization mantra and quit buying from China, Inc that we can make ourselves.
Simplistic observation is all you ever get from Darrin....
...there is nothing sacred to globalist..they will sell whatever it takes to make the short-term bottom line...that's why we can't manufacture here...imagine Germany exporting its technology to make Mercedes to China...
That's anti-capitalistic, anti-free market and thus anti-American!
<Insert YouTube here>
Ironic huh? Those are the times....any effort to protect American jobs and technology makes you 'un-American'!
There's an interesting new book about how free trade wrecked the British Empire and how it's wrecking us. Don't know enough about it yet to agree or disagree, but here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/Free-Trade-Doe...owViewpoints=1
Question:
Why do companies leave California?
Thanks, Winehole.
Of course, the real problem is that it is free-trade only one way. In the recent tussle between Japan and China it came out that China forces domestic rare-earth producers to sell at a discounted price within China and much higher prices for export. The goal is to force electronic manufacturers to locate production inside of China. The US just does not have an overall manufacturing policy like that so American workers pay the price. It has nothing at all to do with unions. They are just whipping boys for the Republicans that have no issue with sending American jobs overseas. It is sort of a slap-down to those few American workers you have to keep. It is policies such as globalization that will allow further concentration of capital in the top few percent. Ironically, the people who so much about Mexicans will in a few more generation complete the Mexication of our economy-the priviledged few and the poor masses.
interesting website. thanks for posting it.
imo stop outsourcing, those products that come back from imports should be tariff hard and remove the made in america label....to encourage consumers to buy american products.
There will be more "Mexicans" too, in a more third-worldish America. Book it.
The "Mexication" -- what? -- of the US population is happening as we speak. We're getting browner. Everyone needs to get over it. It ain't a tragedy.
(Yet. It's the bad ole whorl. Anything could happen.)
In my book, it's good for Americans to have contact with large numbers of predominantly Roman Catholic, work-motivated immigrants acquainted with traditions of parsimony and thrift, and the slightly spooky concept of action performed as sacrifice.
Even better if they stay. Teach us a goddam lesson about the value of our wages, at least. We could sure use it.
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