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    Did you bump it last year when the Spurs won? What has changed? What tilts it in the Mavs favor? The loss of Caron? Or the pick up of Peja?
    Probably the pickup of a legit defensive anchor, tbh.

    but I still like the Spurs better by virtue of HCA

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    I really don't see it as a jinx thread tbh. I truly believe the Grizzlies, while not exactly having a Golden State type ownage of Dallas, are familiar enough with the Mavericks, and have had enough current and past success against them that they could definitely take the Mavericks out in a series.
    Memphis won't have the HC advantage Golden State had. Mavs would win at least once in Grizz's dead-ass building imo and that's all they would need to do, imo.

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    Did you bump it last year when the Spurs won? What has changed? What tilts it in the Mavs favor? The loss of Caron? Or the pick up of Peja?
    Not arguing Mavs>spurs, because I don't believe that, but Chandler has been great in his role and Roddy is basically a new player since he didn't play at all last series (aside from that quarter when he ran train). A mavs-spurs series could go either way in my mind.

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    Or the pick up of Peja?
    on a side note, Peja looks like a guy just barely clinging to what remains of his NBA career. And somehow he starts for Dallas.

    The Mavs only hope is that Carlisle stops playing Peja and Barea and gives all their minutes to Brewer and Roddy. That will be a cold day in .

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    I rescind my HCA comment when it comes to a Mavs-Spurs series...the team w/o has won the last 3 times

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    if you take 2 even teams, hype up one teams players to be better than what they really are while underrating the other teams players then you can make it seem like such a gap when there really isn't one, dpg. I'll make it real simple for you

    TC is a lot better defensively than TD
    mavs defense is better overall
    mavs rebounding is much better overall
    Dirk is easily the best player on either team

    this offsets any advantage SA has at the guard positions or anywhere else. that's why the teams are so close.
    What are you talking about? Tim/Manu/TP talent wise is much better overall than Mavs, especially offensively.

    The numbers do not show that TC is a lot better than TD defensively. He may be more agile and look more spry, but Tim's impact is as big. The numbers tell us that.

    Mavs defense is arguably better and even then I doubt it. The numbers tell us that as well. Then when you look at personnel, the Mavs lost their only real perimeter defender in Butler and replaced him with Peja. Now, Brewer might help, but will he get minutes?

    The rebounding is probably a wash, but the Spurs have been struggling. Hopefully their best players actually playing normal minutes will regulate that.

    The teams are close and again, I am not stating they aren't. Point is, the Mavs are marginally better than last year (that all comes defensively), but overall without Caron, they are worse offensively. That is why they lost last year to the Spurs and I don't see how that changes.

    TC>>>>Duncan defensively, imho. Agree to disagree.

    RJ? really bro? He had a nice start to the season, but he's been a festering turd since then. I'll take Ron-Ron to effectively win that matchup in a series. The Lakers pretty much concede that the opponents PG will go off while they shut everybody else down.

    I think the Spurs are better than the Mavs by virtue of HCA, but SA matches up terribly with the Lakers in the playoffs while the Mavs have some favorable matchups (albeit not enough, tho)
    Again, the numbers don't show TC>>>>>>TD defensively. They just don't. That is both team and individual.

    RJ has played poorly, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have talent, which is my point. You have to have talent, even if at times they play like ass (Hi, Caron).

    Again, it comes down to me saying I'll take Tim (with his pedigree) to get closer to matching Dirk than I will take anyone on the Mavs matching up talent wise with RJ/TP/Manu.

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    Did you bump it last year when the Spurs won? What has changed? What tilts it in the Mavs favor? The loss of Caron? Or the pick up of Peja?
    Is this really worth debating? We all saw today that SA will
    not beat LA in a 7 game series. Dallas has the frontline to compete
    with them but will that be enough?? Probably not.
    As far as Dallas and SA, please this has been talked about over and over.
    You're a Spurs fan who thinks SA is better and i'm Mavs fan who thinks
    Dallas is better. Is what either of us say to the other really gonna change the others opinion??? Probably not, so what's the point?

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    Playing in the low post doesn't mean that you're also effective.

    At this stage of career, Duncan will not be able to take over games so it doesn't matter.

    If he's such an effective post player, how do you explain his 2 point performance today? Doesn't really sound like a guy who can be called upon in the playoffs.

    On top of that, Chandler defends Duncan as well as anybody in the league.
    Acting like Tim still can't win you a game(s) is damn foolish IMO. We will just have to see.

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    Probably the pickup of a legit defensive anchor, tbh.

    but I still like the Spurs better by virtue of HCA
    So picking up a defensive anchor, but losing a perimeter defender and replacing him with a turnstile (Peja) all the while losing your best offensive 2nd option (Caron) is enough to push the Mavs over the Spurs when they couldn't beat them with HCA last year?

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    TC>>>>Duncan defensively, imho. Agree to disagree.

    RJ? really bro? He had a nice start to the season, but he's been a festering turd since then. I'll take Ron-Ron to effectively win that matchup in a series. The Lakers pretty much concede that the opponents PG will go off while they shut everybody else down.

    I think the Spurs are better than the Mavs by virtue of HCA, but SA matches up terribly with the Lakers in the playoffs while the Mavs have some favorable matchups (albeit not enough, tho)
    It's not even close. Tyson's interior defense is far superior to Duncans at this point in his career. Chandler is the Maverick's MVP (besides Dirk of course).

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    Not arguing Mavs>spurs, because I don't believe that, but Chandler has been great in his role and Roddy is basically a new player since he didn't play at all last series (aside from that quarter when he ran train). A mavs-spurs series could go either way in my mind.
    It could, but IMO, it would be an upset if the Mavs won. I make it 70/30 Spurs, but Dirk is so good, that he can win a series by himself.

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    if the mavs suck so bad then what does that say about the spurs?
    Tbh the Lakers will probably beat the Mavs by 30+ as well.
    Because you know, SA is better

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    replacing him with a turnstile (Peja)
    Corey Brewer says hi

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    Is this really worth debating? We all saw today that SA will
    not beat LA in a 7 game series. Dallas has the frontline to compete
    with them but will that be enough?? Probably not.
    As far as Dallas and SA, please this has been talked about over and over.
    You're a Spurs fan who thinks SA is better and i'm Mavs fan who thinks
    Dallas is better. Is what either of us say to the other really gonna change the others opinion??? Probably not, so what's the point?
    if the mavs suck so bad then what does that say about the spurs?
    I never said the Mavs suck. Also, the Spurs beat the Mavs in the playoffs last year and are better this year, while the Mavs lost their 2nd option.

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    were the spurs better built for playoff success in 2009 whenever they got swept by such a poorly constructed playoff team?
    They were built better than the Mavs. Hence the defeat at the hands of the Spurs.

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    It's not even close. Tyson's interior defense is far superior to Duncans at this point in his career. Chandler is the Maverick's MVP (besides Dirk of course).
    No, it's not.

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    I never said the Mavs suck. Also, the Spurs beat the Mavs in the playoffs last year and are better this year, while the Mavs lost their 2nd option.
    Who said that Butler was the Mavs second option???
    This is a guy who was routinely benched in favor of Marion
    most 4th quarters. Terry is and will always be the Mavs second option as long as he is here. That is a fact

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    The spurs don't have the big men to compete with the Lakers, we saw that today. Bynum grabbed 15 boards in 20 minutes, the Lakers dominated the Spurs in the paint.

    No NBA team has won a ring with a 6-7 center in about 40 years. On the other hand.... no team has won a ring without a legit 2nd option for quite some time too... I think Roddy could probably fix that, but apparently Rick isn't changing courses from last season anyway. Neither team is likely to win a ring.... so all this debating is kind of pointless.

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    So your offense is REALLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY going to struggle then. Now, you literally have Dirk and no one else on the floor that can do anything offensively?

    Is he really going to get enough minutes to make an impact defensively? Enough to make up for Caron missing?

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    Mavs frontcourt > Spurs frontcourt

    Peja should be moved to the backup PF spot. Will help spread the floor for the bench.

    Start Kidd, Roddy, and Brewer.

    JJ the backup PG, Terry the backup SG, Marion the backup SF, and Peja comes in for Dirk.

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    Who said that Butler was the Mavs second option???
    This is a guy who was routinely benched in favor of Marion
    most 4th quarters. Terry is and will always be the Mavs second option as long as he is here. That is a fact
    If you don't know that Caron was the 2nd option on your own team, there is not much to say.

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    The spurs don't have the big men to compete with the Lakers, we saw that today. Bynum grabbed 15 boards in 20 minutes, the Lakers dominated the Spurs in the paint.

    No NBA team has won a ring with a 6-7 center in about 40 years. On the other hand.... no team has won a ring without a legit 2nd option for quite some time too... I think Roddy could probably fix that, but apparently Rick isn't changing courses from last season anyway. Neither team is likely to win a ring.
    You realize the Spurs will be playing McDyess a lot in the playoffs?

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    Mavs frontcourt > Spurs frontcourt

    Peja should be moved to the backup PF spot. Will help spread the floor for the bench.

    Start Kidd, Roddy, and Brewer.

    JJ the backup PG, Terry the backup SG, Marion the backup SF, and Peja comes in for Dirk.
    Again, I will take Tim vs. Dirk (in theory) in any given game production wise, compared to what the Mavs have to throw at TP/Manu.

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    If you don't know that Caron was the 2nd option on your own team, there is not much to say.
    So one of your main reasons the Spurs are better than Dallas is
    because the Mavs lost a 3rd option and the Spurs got better with.....
    Neal and Splitter??? Or who did the Spurs add that made them better?

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    You realize the Spurs will be playing McDyess a lot in the playoffs?
    That solves everything

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