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Brown is waaaayyyy too rusty.
Robinson and thats it.
Brent Barry has officially become the most overpaid joke of a FA in this franchise's history.
It was even worse than I thought it was going to be. Barry can't play in this series except for the few times Pop can match him up with Lindsey Hunter. Going to Robinson and Brown was a smart thing to do.
Brown is waaaayyyy too rusty.
Robinson and thats it.
Brent Barry has officially become the most overpaid joke of a FA in this franchise's history.
Hes resorted to no stupid answers.
Just laughs.
I can't help it's that Barry is skinny.
Way to stay on the fence and not pick a side! You're covered every which way! Pick a side Whottt!!
San Antonio fans are the BEST ?
Truth? Some people here love Shaq, the Spurs' # 1 nemesis, Olojawon, the one who says "David that MVP trophy is mine", etc., but can't find love or just respect a member of their 2005 finals team,
it's so sad to learn that despite Barry's unassuming ways, 4-4 3s in one Denver game, doing some charitable work, respect & love for Tim Duncan, San Antonio team & the community, he's still an outsider, as if he doesn't belong.
or at least give some respect for Pops & R.C's choice of FA...so sad
come on.
Brent Barry was just adequate against a Phoenix team he was made to beat.
The only way he gets minutes against Detroit is if he shows he can be aggressive with his shot and provide some instant offense.
He did none of that last night.
Actually, according to Whott in the chatroom, "Barry having 4 fouls indicated that he's at least attempting to play some defense...he only had 1 really stupid foul."
Sorry Whott, couldn't resist! Don't take it personally, I still love ya!
San Antonio fans are the BEST ?
Truth? Some people here love Shaq, the Spurs' # 1 nemesis, Olojawon, the one who says "David that MVP trophy is mine", etc., but can't find love or just respect a member of their 2005 finals team,
it's so sad to learn that despite Barry's unassuming ways, 4-4 3s in one Denver game, doing some charitable work, respect & love for Tim Duncan, San Antonio team & the community, he's still an outsider, as if he doesn't belong.
or at least give some respect for Pops & R.C's choice of FA...so sad
come on.
milkyway...don't separate from the hive mind.
Remember...1. Hate Barry. 2.We are incapable of winning a game without Devin Brown. Do not deviate from the hive. No matter good an idea it seems at the time, no matter if it seems to stupid to you to not say something...
Do not deviate from the hive. Just hate Barry unrelentingly, minimize his good contributions, magnify his bad games. Yes he doesn't deserve it....yes there is not a shred of statistical basis for doing it...
Yes even going scoreless he only scored 2 points less than anyone else on our bench and tied the starter who never is required to score a single point no matter how much court time he gets.
Just hate...he'll be gone this offseason if there is a god and the Barry haters and those that don't hate will be the happier for it. He'll get the ring he was a gutless pussy and signed with the leading le contender to try and get even though he's afraid...and everything will work out.
Just don't use independent thought...the board dictates hatred of Barry and I just reccomend you do it...it doesn't matter why....because it's not about having a legitimate reason to hate the dude...it's just about hating him.
Do what TPark would do...eat and hate. You'll be fine.
Don't make the same mistake I made and have an open mind about it...just hate. I give you this sound advice with my last shred of sanity. I don't want this to happen to another person. And please tell my wife and kids I loved them if you don't hear from me again.
Pop will use Barry. There will be situations when the lane is collapsed and the Spurs need to score. If he's on...he'll get more PT. If not, he'll get less but he'll still get time because he does know how to move the ball, particularly when ball reversals are needed.
He played awful on Thursday, though.
You know even if we are discouraged by Barry's play it doesn't mean we don't root for him. My wife and I regularly try to cheer him on through the TV. Doesn't mean that I don't come back here and say he sucked in the last game though. I try not to bag on Barry too much but he certainly hasn't lived up to the most modest of expectations. I hope Glen Robinson replaces him next year in the rotation.
sorry Whott, i can't do that.
i don't really care if he'll be traded this summer or stay a Spur after a non-memorable performance this season. But i respect ALL the Spurs players (though i only have one favorite player in Tim Duncan).
I just can't understand WHY we can't stop from mocking Brent Barry. Or are we just making a joke out of it?
We ARE in the finals, aren't we? Then, at least enjoy and show some love
Hate = Truth
according to Mrs. Barry.
so, it's confirmed. you hate Brent Barry.
at least you could explain WHY?
Yeah he played bad...
But no one on our bench had a good night shooting...he got in foul trouble but most of it was because he was trying to play D because he knew he wasn't gonna stay on the court if he didn't...
The simple fact of the matter if that none of our Spurs heroes have ever shot as well in their first year here as Brent Barry is shooting now...
And the only guy that scored signifigantly more PPG was Manu.
That's the reality of it...
And it's sickening because when the dude actually does step up...every one discounts it, they subtract it...as if the others scored the exact PPG during their playoffs runs...or they say it was the timing...
None of that stuff holds water...
I flat out lose respect for anyone that thinks Barry is performing worse in his shooting than guys like Jaren Jackson, Mario Elie, Steve Kerr...ect, did in their first year here...he's shooting far and away better than any of those guys did...it's not even close.
Did you even bother to look?
Jaren Jackson was a pretty sucky shooter throughout his career. But he shot better in his first year as a Spur than his career average. Sure, Barry shot the ball better, but Barry's a better shooter. The fact is that being on the Spurs allowed Jaren to shoot better than his career average.
And Elie shot over 47% his first year on the Spurs. That's right on par with his career average and better than Barry shot this season. Elie's three point percentage was 37.4%, which was also is better than Brent shot from downtown this season. You'll have to clarify on this: how did Brent shoot "far and away" better than Elie?
And you're right about Kerr. He didn't shoot very well in his first year with the team, but he didn't play very much either. He played meager minutes in 44 games.
So Jaren actually did better than his career averages during his first year on the team. Elie shot about the same from the field and raised his three point shooting. And again, you look like a fool.
I meant in the playoffs...you know the context that you and other haters have chosen to focus on all ing seasonb and only now when your own weak ass argument got stuck up your ass have you lost your enthusiasm for focusing on.
Playoffs..figure it the out...You aren't in some elite club that realizes Barry had a substandard, for him, regular season...There have only been about 6.3 billion posts discussing it...I don't think I all of a sudden forgot about it.
This is even stupider than your last anti-Barry argument...Nazr is shooting better from 3 than his career average as well...I guess that means we should be using him from 3.Jaren Jackson was a pretty sucky shooter throughout his career. But he shot better in his first year as a Spur than his career average. Sure, Barry shot the ball better, but Barry's a better shooter. The fact is that being on the Spurs allowed Jaren to shoot better than his career average.
Look at what he did in the playoffs...maybe then you'll see the blatant double standard you used to label Barry a choker.And Elie shot over 47% his first year on the Spurs. That's right on par with his career average and better than Barry shot this season. Elie's three point percentage was 37.4%, which was also is better than Brent shot from downtown this season. You'll have to clarify on this: how did Brent shoot "far and away" better than Elie?
And you're right about Kerr. He didn't shoot very well in his first year with the team, but he didn't play very much either. He played meager minutes in 44 games.No...you look like you can't read...when and where did I say they shot better or worse than their career averages?So Jaren actually did better than his career averages during his first year on the team. Elie shot about the same from the field and raised his three point shooting. And again, you look like a fool.
I said they didn't shoot as well as Barry has...and obviously, since it's well do ented he shot poorly by his own standard during the regular season, and everyone said he would be judged by what he did in the playoffs, I was talking the playoffs...you know, the here and now, when he is shooting well...
Fool.
Good look it up...then go ahead and dismiss it...
And your point is still ing stupid...if Joe Blow is a career 10% shooter and he shoots 11% that doesn't mean he's good all of a sudden, or better than another guy who shot 35% in a down year.
Dumbass.
Last edited by whottt; 06-11-2005 at 08:30 AM.
Game 1 means nothing. Barry was plagued with foul trouble, only played 10 minutes and didn't get any touches. Let's wait until he actually gets to play in the series before we start labeling him a choker or the worst player in NBA history... again.
TPark, at least Whottt's lover actually plays some mins, unlike yours.
I think that at this point, Barry only sees spot minutes. Times when Hunter is on the floor, foul trouble, or in short offensive sequences at ends of quarters. Pop can sub him in again if Manu is having a tough game early. If he shows something, he can stay on the floor for a while. Maybe he can get a rythem, but even with steady stretches of minutes, he hasn't shown anything. Let's see if he can be a spark rather than a flame.
I would like to see him in the mid of the 3rd quarter when players start to get tired. We could let Duncan draw attention and dish the ball for the 3. I think that Barry did a nice job when he was on court in game one
Barry was getting some fouls called because he was trying to play defense, just like Pop wants. Nothing wrong with that as long as: we have some fouls to give, need to rest our starters, and can put someone in with fresh energy to wear the Pistons down.
Mario Elie's first Spurs playoffs(and he was starting):
PPG: 7.9
FG%: 384
3PT%: 267
Jaren Jackson
First year(for the ing tools agmongst us)
PPG: 10.2
FG%: 34%
3PT%: 305%
le year:
PPG:8.2
FG%:382%
3PT%:360%
Stephen Jackson(a starter)
First year: NA
le year:
PPG: 12.8
FG%: 414
3PT%: 336
Steve Kerr
PPG: NA
FG%:391
3PT%:313
Manu(bench player, now an All Star and universally touted as a fantastic player):
PPG:9.4
FG%:386
3PT%:384
Barry:
PPG: 6.4
FG%: 46
3PT%: 43
Bonus: EFG% of over 60% to lead the entire team.
Now I realize his PPG totals aren't as high...
But do you guys realize we are averaging over 100 PPG, and have 3 dominant scorers, unlike any of those other years? It's almost like you guys want a 20% shooters to chuck up shots when we've got 3 All Star Caliber offensive players on the team.
Now either you guys are ing stupid...or you are biased. I'll leave it up to you decide which you are.
Personally I think you guys need to stop calling me Mrs.Barry and go buy the ring for when you marry Devin( I can shoot the ball against a 3-1 disadvantage in game 1 of the finals, something an junior high kid wouldn't be stupid enough to do, against the best defensive team in the NBA, and still have 99% of SpursTalk lining up to suck my after the game. I am 27 years old and this is my third season with this team and I get the rookie excuse more than Beno Udrih does) Brown.
or whoever it is you insecure about.
But the hate...or the stupidity...is obvious and I am sick of folks acting like I am th one with bias. ...And BTW Barry can suck as badly as he did in game 1 a few more times and still shoot about as well as Jack, Bowen and Manu did in the finals in 03.
I am the only the one that's unbiased, or, unstupid in this debate.
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