Teen Gets Life Sentence For Helping Girlfriend End Pregnancy

[ChumpDumper]

FREE GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIZED, ON DEMAND ABORTIONS FOR ALL!!

Only some.

Minature American flags for others.

[Clandestino]

back in the day women used wire hangers! this sounds a tad more humane, but still ed up...

[scott]

Newsflash: People are still ed up.

[The Ressurrected One]

I don't see how you could have been witness to several abortions first hand, unless you were a doctor performing them.

So, only doctors are in the room?

But hey, say what you want. What would have been a better solution to this outcome?

Birth.

Maybe an abortion?

Isn't that what they did?

Maybe a pregnency that was carried to full term, but that didn't seem to be the will of the parents in this case.

then they shouldn't have played with their pants down.

[The Ressurrected One]

"TRO thinks you shouldnt even be allowed to talk about abortions."

Isn't that what we're doing?

"...its not a free speech issue its a morality issue!,"

No, it's a civil rights issue.

"...what about peoples rights not to hear about abortions!"

I'm sorry, were you imprisoned and forced to engage in this discussion? Tell us who did it, where you are, and we'll send the Police.

[The Ressurrected One]

back in the day women used wire hangers! this sounds a tad more humane, but still ed up...

That's bull . There were about a many coathanger abortions as there were jumping on the tummy abortions prior to Roe v. Wade.

[Guru of Nothing]

Newsflash: People are still ed up.

I'm a people!!

[scott]

I'm a people!!

I rest my case!

[Guru of Nothing]

I rest my case!

At least I'm a "people" willing to step up and pay the $250 entry fee into the FSP fantasy football league [/random_pimp_without_namecalling]

[Useruser666]

So, only doctors are in the room?


Birth.


Isn't that what they did?


then they shouldn't have played with their pants down.

So you were witness to several abortions for what reason?

"Birth" That's your opinion.

That's their right, and not something you should be deciding for them.

[The Ressurrected One]

So you were witness to several abortions for what reason?

200 Operating Room hours at a hospital/clinic in South Texas, during the 70's, while training to be a Paramedic. I also did a similar number of hours of Emergency Room duty.

I've seen more than just abortions but, I did see several abortions. What I didn't see were any "coathanger" or back-alley abortions come into the ER.

"Birth" That's your opinion.

Yeah, and? Isn't that what we're expressing in here? Besides, my "opinion" is informed by a whole lot more experiential information that your's, I would venture to say.

Have YOU ever seen an abortion?

That's their right, and not something you should be deciding for them.

Rights come with responsibilities. Actions have consequences.

[mookie2001]

Ive seen more abortions!

no no i have

youve only seen 80, ive seen 250

yeah but mine were better abortions

you dont know about abortions

i was watching them when you were in diapers

[The Ressurrected One]

Ive seen more abortions!

no no i have

youve only seen 80, ive seen 250

yeah but mine were better abortions

you dont know about abortions

i was watching them when you were in diapers

He asked the question...

[Useruser666]

200 Operating Room hours at a hospital/clinic in South Texas, during the 70's, while training to be a Paramedic. I also did a similar number of hours of Emergency Room duty.

I've seen more than just abortions but, I did see several abortions. What I didn't see were any "coathanger" or back-alley abortions come into the ER.

Yeah, and? Isn't that what we're expressing in here? Besides, my "opinion" is informed by a whole lot more experiential information that your's, I would venture to say.

Have YOU ever seen an abortion?


Rights come with responsibilities. Actions have consequences.

As I said earlier, seeing an abortion doesn't give anyone any more credability on discussing other peoples' rights. If it's not YOUR body, it's not of YOUR concern. I do my part in this world by not creating any unwanted babies. I don't feel the need to tell others how to run their lives. I want a society that can provide the information and options to people so they don't make mistakes in their lives, but as long as they don't break the law, it's not anyone else's business.

[The Ressurrected One]

As I said earlier, seeing an abortion doesn't give anyone any more credability on discussing other peoples' rights.

What about the babies' rights?

If it's not YOUR body, it's not of YOUR concern.

What about the babies' bodies?

I do my part in this world by not creating any unwanted babies. I don't feel the need to tell others how to run their lives.

Could I rephrase that to, "I do my part in this world by not killing innocent people. I don't feel the need to tell others..."

I want a society that can provide the information and options to people so they don't make mistakes in their lives, but as long as they don't break the law, it's not anyone else's business.

I guess the slaves are pretty lucky you weren't around when slavery was legal. And, then there were those pesky women demanding the right to vote...

Yeah, don't want to get involved when things are "legal."

[Useruser666]

What about the babies' rights?

What about the babies' bodies?

Could I rephrase that to, "I do my part in this world by not killing innocent people. I don't feel the need to tell others..."


I guess the slaves are pretty lucky you weren't around when slavery was legal. And, then there were those pesky women demanding the right to vote...

Yeah, don't want to get involved when things are "legal."

Sorry, but until birth there is no baby. I know that's a grey subject area.

Unless you are the father, or carrying the pregnancy yourself, you don't have any say in what happens.

Your slavery analogy cracks me up. Slavery is not even close to being a related issue. Should a woman who is raped be forced to carry the baby to full term? Are you against all abortions, or can you let your morals rest for "special" cir stances?

[The Ressurrected One]

Sorry, but until birth there is no baby. I know that's a grey subject area.

If it's a "grey subject area," why not err on the side of life? Why not allow abortion up to the point of birth? When is that? When the baby crowns? After head emerges? After the cord is cut?

How come we've drawn arbitrary line of moral cer ude at, what is it now, 23 weeks? What of the fetus that is 22 weeks and 6 days? What about the uncertainty in calculating gestational age?

Why is a child only a life after birth?

Unless you are the father, or carrying the pregnancy yourself, you don't have any say in what happens.

Apparently, not even fathers have a say...

And, I think someone needs to speak for the children.

Your slavery analogy cracks me up. Slavery is not even close to being a related issue.

It is when the "abortion-is-legal-so-shut-up" canard is thrown out.

Should a woman who is raped be forced to carry the baby to full term? Are you against all abortions, or can you let your morals rest for "special" cir stances?

In every abortion thread, in which I've participated, I've always allowed that compassion is called for in duress abortions. I cannot fathom having to witness my daughter struggling with that decision.

But, yes, I'm opposed to all abortions; however, if we were just arguing over the less than 1% of all abortions that result from rape, incest, in-utero diagnosis of terminal illness or for the LIFE (not just health) of the Mother, then I doubt you and I would be that far apart...or even having this discussion

That's not the case. Greater than 99% of all abortions are elective or convenience abortions, purely as a choice to the mother. That is unconscienable...

More than a million unborn children every year are killed because they are simply inconvenient to persons who conceived them.

[Useruser666]

If it's a "grey subject area," why not err on the side of life? Why not allow abortion up to the point of birth? When is that? When the baby crowns? After head emerges? After the cord is cut?

How come we've drawn arbitrary line of moral cer ude at, what is it now, 23 weeks? What of the fetus that is 22 weeks and 6 days? What about the uncertainty in calculating gestational age?

Why is a child only a life after birth?

Apparently, not even fathers have a say...

And, I think someone needs to speak for the children.


It is when the "abortion-is-legal-so-shut-up" canard is thrown out.

In every abortion thread, in which I've participated, I've always allowed that compassion is called for in duress abortions. I cannot fathom having to witness my daughter struggling with that decision.

But, yes, I'm opposed to all abortions; however, if we were just arguing over the less than 1% of all abortions that result from rape, incest, in-utero diagnosis of terminal illness or for the LIFE (not just health) of the Mother, then I doubt you and I would be that far apart...or even having this discussion

That's not the case. Greater than 99% of all abortions are elective or convenience abortions, purely as a choice to the mother. That is unconscienable...

More than a million unborn children every year are killed because they are simply inconvenient to persons who conceived them.

And so can you guaranty that all of those unwanted children will be cared for? I think it's in everyone's best interest that better alternatives are given to people, but not that we force our will upon them.

[The Ressurrected One]

And so can you guaranty that all of those unwanted children will be cared for?

I can guarantee they'll have a better chance at life than if you scrape them from the womb before they're born.

I think it's in everyone's best interest that better alternatives are given to people, but not that we force our will upon them.

What about God's will? And, what about the child's right to life? Why does he not have one?

[Useruser666]

I can guarantee they'll have a better chance at life than if you scrape them from the womb before they're born.

What about God's will? And, what about the child's right to life? Why does he not have one?

Sorry, but since not everyone believes in God, his will doesn't mean anything here. Since the child hasn't been born yet, then they have no rights as human beings. I'm sorry if you don't agree to that, but it seems that is the way it is in this world. The great thing is though, you have as much control over your own body as you want. Isn't that terrific?

[The Ressurrected One]

Sorry, but since not everyone believes in God, his will doesn't mean anything here.

I was specifically alluding to all the forum readers whom I know believe in God and yet still condone abortion. But, to be fair, you're right and maybe God's will shouldn't play into legal distinctions.

Since the child hasn't been born yet, then they have no rights as human beings. I'm sorry if you don't agree to that, but it seems that is the way it is in this world.

Until it's changed. And change doesn't occur without effort.

The great thing is though, you have as much control over your own body as you want. Isn't that terrific?

Let me ask you this; do you believe any abortion, up to the moment of birth should be left to the choice of the mother?

I just want to clarify that point before I proceed.

[Gatita]

Back alley - coathanger - abortions are a myth and probably only encourage the abberant behavior demonstrated by these teens.

Myth my ass. I've heard those stories from women who had to resort to those extremes.

[The Ressurrected One]

Myth my ass. I've heard those stories from women who had to resort to those extremes.

What? Were you a pimp in the 60's?

[SpursWoman]

How fortunate you are, O'Ressurrected One, to not have the threat of a bunch of woman, who will never physically experience everything you can, to have the right to govern what must happen or not happen with your own body.

[The Ressurrected One]

How fortunate you are, O'Ressurrected One, to not have the threat of a bunch of woman, who will never physically experience everything you can, to have the right to govern what must happen or not happen with your own body.

What about the body inside the woman? Does that person have absolutely no rights?

I'm asking very simple questions and no one will tell me when the fetus becomes a person or why the fetal age at which it can be killed keeps getting moved around almost arbitrarily.

Oh, and you act as though it's only men opposed to abortion or wanting laws restricting the practice. Sorry, that doesn't fly...