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Gotta keep the big 3... what an idiot.
Timmy. DO IT.Little-known fact: Duncan can opt out of his contract this summer. If he were willing to opt out of next season's $21 million deal and re-sign for a longer-term contract at a per-year number more reflective of his current ability, San Antonio actually could pick up a midrange free agent, depending on cap parameters under the next CBA.
Gotta keep the big 3... what an idiot.
They must be crushed that Parker chose to re-sign with the Spurs rather than join the Knicks. Maybe they think they can convince the Spurs' FO to read it and go, "Hey, yeah! ESPN just wants the Spurs to be as good as possible."
OV's Plan to Fix the Spurs:
Play all your players at their correct positions and in their correct roles.
Focus on defense all season long.
Focus on scoring in the paint rather than from 24 feet away from the rim.
Develop young players and continue to allow them to play after they come back from injury.
Play your best players all the minutes required to win in the postseason.
Few thoughts
- There is more to spreading the floor than sitting on the 3point line and chucking 3's. You have to be able to put the ball on the floor, Bonner can't do that
- Spur fan needs to realize Playoff success > Regular Season success. BUT maybe at this point of Duncan's career, SA fan accepts being a great regular season team and then flaming out in the 1st Round
Take the Grizzlies matchup for example. All of you aren't willing to deal Parker YET he was out played by Conley. And yet here's the kicker, Spurs biggest disadvantage in the series was SIZE in the post. So you give up Parker in exchange for more size
Conley had 14 points, 6 assists per game. Parker had 19 points and 5 assists per game. The Spurs had size in the post and didn't bother to develop him until it was too late. Nothing like making that front-line problem a distant memory than returning the Spurs to the days when Vinnie Del Negro and Lloyd Daniels were the point guards.
One of the few teams that is desperate enough to make a big move for RJ and Parker is the Magic. Nelson,Turk, and Bass...I feel like I need something more. I just don't think there is many options out there to deal the combination of them both and make the Spurs better.
I think Magic would do that
Why would the Spurs give up their best player and a playoff choking bad contract for an even smaller point guard, an even worse playoff choker with an even worse contract and yet another undersized big? The Magic have said that their need is a power forward with some size to put next to Howard.
Your right but this is why he is the only real tradable asset to get the things they need. Just adding a bunch of scrubs that no other team picks up just wont do it anymore at this stage in the big 3's careers.
Also unfortunately no team is going to take a serious look at taking on RJ's crappy contract just for Bonner, Blair , or Hill. Spurs shot themselves in the foot on that deal, and it will take some consequences to get rid of that mistake.
If the Spurs trade away an all-star point guard, their biggest need for the Spurs immediately becomes an all-star and a point guard. Not sure you guys are thinking this through.
Yes it's a gamble like any trade is. Question is can the Spurs still compete for at a championship level relying on the big 3 to get it done.
No, the question is can the Spurs still compete for a championship with an aging big 2, no point guard, and whatever they get for Parker.
I understand it's a gamble, but again, are we expecting to get Orlando to give up Howard for Tony Parker? Unless you end up trading your big 3 for a HUGE 3 then there's simply not any way to give up your best player at your thinnest position and expect to improve.
If you're going to trade one of the big three, you trade Manu, because he's still got value, is at a position where the Spurs are deepest, and you aren't giving up defense or size. Manu has so many intangibles that you can get a team to give up more talent in exchange for it.
Fair points
From what I saw in the Memphis series, Manu is the only elite player left on the Spurs. (This before his miracle shot) He can carry SA offensively and is still unguardable at times. At this point if Parker isn't getting into the lane he's an average player
If the Spurs can trade Parker for Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum and Lamar Odom I'll put a down payment on my finals tickets tomorrow.
If you can say with a straight face that Parker is an average player, then there's simply no point in having a discussion because it will just end with me telling you how stupid you are.He had a terrible playoffs and averaged 20, 5 and 3 and shot 46 percent. If Manu is the only elite player left, then it's interesting that he put up similar numbers, 21, 4 and 4 at 44 percent.
if you move TP, it's to start the total rebuild a bit earlier than might be done otherwise.
there aren't going to be any players you can trade him for that would help to re-open the current window, and it's ridiculous to speculate otherwise. did you see the crap returns that were being thrown about for him last year?
So what your saying is the spurs window already have closed for a championship therefore keep the same roster, is that correct?
What your saying does not make much sense? You indicate that there are not any players out there who will re-open the championship window but yet you indicate the window has closed. So I guess you want this current team to complete there current contracts without any moves and simply try for regular season wins with no hope of a championship?
Last edited by yavozerb; 05-25-2011 at 08:12 AM.
Bucher thinks Parker isn't enough of a playmaker to elevate those around him but in the next paragraph he believes Hill should be the starting PG?
GTFO. Bucher should stick to covering Kobe's nutsack.
In essence, he's trying to hoard all the good players to the 4Letter's Glam 6 Markets.
Outside of his Lone Stranger article about Ginobili's rookie year, I can't remember anything else that was memorable. They're more like DEPLORABLE.
Why doesn't it make sense? - it was perfectly logical. All I said is that it is highly unlikely that the Spurs can make a short term upgrade by moving TP. Given what the market for him appeared to be last year, moving TP (who is now a year older still and coming off a disappointing playoff series that he should have dominated) would open a giant hole without really even filling another. Most likely, TP could net a couple of young role guys and a late lottery-mid first round pick. That could set you up for a stronger 2014-2015 season than we might be looking at right now, but it really doesn't put you any closer to winning a le than we are currently looking at.
Moving TP doesn't re-open the window, it locks it closed and then nails boards over the top of it.
My personal belief is that the window for the foreseeable future is shut either way, but I'm not against watching the Big 3 go out with another couple of 50+ win season playoff appearances if they can manage it. If that's a defeatist at ude, so be it, but I don't think most of this fan base realizes how truly special and unique the past 13 years have been and how unlikely they are to ever occur again for this (or any small market) franchise.
It is highly likely that the Spurs best chance to win a le over the next 10-15 years will be next year - riding the aging big 3 and hopefully upgrading elsewhere.
That's not to say that I think we have much of a chance at all next season - that is to say that gutting the team and rebuilding doesn't typically work either without a top lottery pick that occurs in a year where it is worth having a lottery pick (for example, i don't foresee anybody in this draft being the #1 option on a championship team).
Last edited by K-State Spur; 05-25-2011 at 11:43 AM.
KSS is right,
The window is shut already. This year was the last real opportunity to make noise in the playoffs with this core group and they got hurt again and fell short.
I'm OK with SA keeping Manu, Tony and Tim together for a couple of more years. There is NO WAY a small market team will be able to keep three Hall of Fame or All Star caliber players on the same roster for 10 or 11 years again like the Spurs have been able to do. Even the big market teams are not able to do that generally.
This big three is a special group and giving one of them away for a late lottery pick or an above average veteran won't fix anything or open a championship window.
The mavs could have threw in the towel with their older core of Dirk, Kidd, and Marion. But they didn't sit and cry over spilled milk, they made moves (Tyson Chandler) and wham they are right back in contention for a le this year. Of course, this requires a management that actually has a clue about what pieces it best needs to surround an older core with, and Pop has yet to demonstrate any semblance of a clue regarding the spurs.
Isn't that what I'm saying? Whatever chance (small or non-existant depending on POV) the Spurs have at winning a le in the near future involves NOT blowing up the core and continuing to make moves around it.
The mavs could have threw in the towel with their older core of Dirk, Kidd, and Marion. But they didn't sit and cry over spilled milk, they made moves (Tyson Chandler) and wham they are right back in contention for a le this year. Of course, this requires a management that actually has a clue about what pieces it best needs to surround an older core with, and Pop has yet to demonstrate any semblance of a clue regarding the spurs.
And the insinuation that the Mavs FO has a better idea of how to build a team than San Antonio's is laughable. They've made countless mistakes over the years, but have the benefit of an owner with deep pockets who can continuously go DEEP into the tax and throw more up against the wall and see what sticks.
The reason they were able to trade for Chandler is because of the expiring deal set up by the ludicrous contract he gave Damp.
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