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Just wow.. Parker for Tony Douglas, Shawne Williams and Ronny Turiaf?
I think it's quite obvious Bucher has many more important things to do and probably spent 10 minutes (at most) devising this "plan".
What a joke.
Now that the Spurs season is kaput, everyone from fans to analysts alike, all have suggestions on what the Spurs should do and what direction they should go from here (see the various threads that litter this forum). After all, isn't that what the offseason is for?
The short-term fate of two of the NBA's top playoff contenders, and early exit teams, in this case Orlando and San Antonio, were the subject of a good debate between ESPN analysts Chris Broussard and Ric Bucher. Broussard crafted a plan for the Magic, Bucher did the same for the Spurs. Below is the plan offered up by Bucher offered up to help solve some of the current ills of the Spurs. This taken from ESPN Insider, which features some interesting stuff.
Who needs to rebuild: Magic or Spurs?
Our Insiders debate which playoff team most needs to blow things up and start over
Question: Which playoff team most needs to blow things up and rebuild, the Orlando Magic or the San Antonio Spurs?
I'm not sure how many seasons there have been in which the second overall seed in the NBA has been in need of an immediate overhaul, but this is one of them. The San Antonio Spurs, if they want to get back to their championship-contending ways, have to face the harsh reality that their Big Three core -- Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker -- is not good enough and will not be good enough going forward to lift a fifth Larry O'Brien trophy. They posted their strong regular-season record because of the selflessness of their stars and the craftiness and flexibility of coach Gregg Popovich, who devised a penetrate-and-kick game with just enough post work by Duncan to thump every team not as good as them, almost without fail, and to beat a fair number of the teams better than them. In the regular season.
But they did it with a style -- playing fast and shooting 3s to hide a mediocre defense -- that they knew was not crafted to win a le. But what were they going to do? Play their old style, scratch into the playoffs and not be good enough anyway? I believe they did that the previous two seasons. They made the best of what they had this season and there's no shame in that. Still, it's clear that the time has come for them to rebuild.
What can the Spurs do now? Changing out pieces around the Big Three has been done, several seasons in a row now, without success. Somebody from the core has to go. If GM R.C. Buford and Popovich were the steely pragmatists that the late Bill Walsh was, one or more of them already would've been moved. Then again, San Francisco and the 49ers in their heyday were a little more of a free-agent magnet than San Antonio, so it's understandable if the Spurs stand by Duncan and Ginobili, who took less on one or more of their last deals to stay in silver and black.
Now, Tony Parker in a different jersey? Odd, but not inconceivable, and that's where they have to start. And this is in no way to discredit what TP has contributed to the Spurs. It's simply that he's not enough of a playmaker at point guard to raise the level of those around him. Nor does he have enough size to dominate his position at both ends of the court and create mismatches -- at least the kind of mismatches the Spurs now need from their third star with Duncan's star dimming. But as a quick, scoring point guard in an era that sees them flourishing, he has to have some value on the trade market -- and maybe just enough to ratchet the Spurs back up a few notches to put them back in the le conversation.
Little-known fact: Duncan can opt out of his contract this summer. If he were willing to opt out of next season's $21 million deal and re-sign for a longer-term contract at a per-year number more reflective of his current ability, San Antonio actually could pick up a midrange free agent, depending on cap parameters under the next CBA.
So, San Antonio's building blocks are cap room for a complementary or up-and-coming free agent, and Parker. The needs? Well, if George Hill can step into the starting point-guard role -- and I believe he can -- then the list starts with a backup point guard and Robert Horry-type power forward. Slight problem: No long, stretch 4s are readily available. The young lightning-in-a-bottle candidates are Shawne Williams of the New York Knicks and the Grizzlies' Darrell Arthur. It's hard to see how Memphis can re-sign Marc Gasol and keep Arthur. (Or, could San Antonio possibly convince Gasol to head south if the new CBA makes it prohibitive for the Grizzlies to keep him? In that case, Duncan becomes the stretch 4.) Williams is a free agent who made $884,000 this year.
Both Arthur and Williams, presumably, would jump at the chance to start and get prime minutes next to Duncan. Would the Knicks move Toney Douglas, Williams and Ronny Turiaf for Parker, even though they've already re-upped Billups for one more season? It's worth finding out. I've never been big on concocting fantasy trades, but I'm doing so here to illustrate the kind of dice roll and infusion of youth the Spurs desperately need. Don't look at the win-loss record. Look at how and where the Memphis Grizzlies are preying on their weaknesses -- weaknesses that will only increase, not lessen, if not addressed before next season.
Just wow.. Parker for Tony Douglas, Shawne Williams and Ronny Turiaf?
I think it's quite obvious Bucher has many more important things to do and probably spent 10 minutes (at most) devising this "plan".
What a joke.
Makes sense
TP is overrated
Williams has potential
Turiaf is tougher than Bonita
Do not want, If spurs must trade Parker, at least make the trade worth while. All 3 of those players together do not even come close to what Parker brings. Pass!
yes, the spurs need more stretch 4s.
Seeing the name Bucher in the le had me thinking, article before even reading.
After reading his premise of the Spurs needing to part with Parker for a great playmaking PG, I thought he would suggest a Chris Paul type player. His player: George Hill, huh?
article. Another let's find a lopsided trade to get Knicks fans excited again.
Bucher's usually more well thought out than this. This was clearly hastily assembled.
Hill and Douglas at the point? They're basically the same player. Combo guards, who can shoot three's, get to the rim and play above average on ball defense in certain match-ups, but can't run an offense.
Duncan as the stretch four? Because of his lack of lift, his range extends no further than 18 feet at this point and even that, we rarely see. Also, he lacks the mobility to defend four's on a consistent basis. He's caught between positions, which is why Splitter needs to start, so that Duncan can defend the four or five based on match-up.
Williams, I've thought about. He'd be a nice addition. Unfortunately, he sounds determined to stay with the Knicks and may even give them a home town discount, for allowing him to resurrect his career.
Arthur would be a nice fit, but I've got to believe the Grizzlies are smart enough to have planned ahead when doling out extensions to have enough left over to sign Gasol and him. They can let Battier walk, trade Mayo and fill out the roster with minimal types.
Even if the Spurs got one of these two, both are 6-9 and thin. That's not adding size. The Spurs would get destroyed inside and on the glass even more than they do now against bigger front lines.
Also, Williams and Turiaf are UFA's, so they can't be traded. Even if they could, obviously that's not nearly enough value for Parker.
if that's the plan to give Timmy one last shot, i think we should start thinking to rebuild.
We're not going anywhere without Parker, with Hill as our PG and that garbage from NY.
Bucher again proving that: just because you can type doesn't mean that you should. Wow, how awful. I guess his intern didn't write for him this week.
I'd hate to see TP go, but if the Spurs want to attempt and contend, trading TP seems like the only alternative. But I would hope TP could fetch more than Bucher's proposed Knick's trade.
I think I've seen some smarter ideas from some of the GNSFs.
:facepalm
I personally agree that if you expect any substantial additions to the roster, you'd first have to look at your biggest trade asset which is Tony Parker. I disagree with the NY bit.
A look back at our first le run proves you don't need a star running the point to compete for a le, I'd feel fairly optimistic about landing an "Avery Johnson" level of player on the cheap. Likewise, we need to press the issue and address our needs in the front-court.
Outside of Duncan, Ginobili, Neal and Splitter, I'd be hard pressed to NOT include anyone in trade talks. Essentially I'd try to fill out this roster:
Tim Duncan / Tiago Splitter /
________ / ________ / Ryan Richards
________ / Daniel Green / Da'Sean Butler
Manu Ginobili / Gary Neal / James Anderson
________ / ________ / Chris Quinn
That leads to some trade chips. Hill, Parker, and Blair would be your assets, Jefferson, McDyess and Bonner would be your throw-ins.
I figure these teams would be worthwhile to talk to:
Charlotte Bobcats.
DJ Augustine is an efficient pg who doesn't fill the spectacular mold, but would certainly be a steady starter for SA. You'd think trying to land a combination of Tyrus Thomas, DJ White and Stephen Jackson would make some sense for both squads (especially if it meant unloading Jefferson). The Cats would be able to market a former finals MVP as their Franchise player while the spurs could shore up their roster.
Chicago Bulls
You think it would make sense to offer GHill to the Bulls in hopes they feel he would shore up their back-court depth. Taj Gibson has had some big games in Chicago, he can block shots too. I'd consider that trade straight up.
Minnesota TWolves
They've got a logjam of bigmen, you'd almost wonder what they'd want in return for Anthony Randolph, Luke Ridnour and Nikola Pecovic. Would they throw in a Pick for Parker?
Sacto Kings.
The Kings have a need for a natural PG. With the cloud over their franchise, you'd almost think they'd be looking to fast forward the rebuilding process.
I'm sure this would make a guy like Jason Thompson available. You add prospects like Donte Greene, draft picks and enough cap to absorb RJ, one wonders if there's enough to get a deal done here.
LA Clips
I doubt the Clippers would bail on Mo Will so suddenly, but you wonder if Parker would be a better guy to have around your franchise. Would Kaman and Eric Bledsoe be expendable in such a scenario?
I'm liking the idea of trading Parker, I'm just not so sure that the Knicks could put together the most attractive offer.
His main point that the window has closed is correct. And the Spurs should've realized this a few years ago. And trading Parker makes some sense. But his specific trade suggestions don't sound worthwhile.
trade doesnt make sense besides upping the knicks with carmelo, amare, parker
trade billups and trash for howard...i see what beucher did here...fck him
That's a pretty ty package come on now. The Pistons blew up their team too early and look what happened to them.....
I agree with most of the comments. Bucher may be onto a concept here, in that Parker is probably the Spurs best trade asset. However, I'd have to think he could net a better return than the crappy packages that Bucher outlined in that article. If the Spurs ever decided to move Parker, and I don't think they would now, they certainly wouldn't give him away for trash. They're much too smart for that.
Last edited by SenorSpur; 05-03-2011 at 01:01 AM.
ship parker + rj together... going to do any trade, must get rid of that wanker first
Wowzas
No.
Well if Dice retires, where do you expect the Spurs to add dependable size?
TP is definitely the better trading chip, but that garbage for him??? Also, Hill is in no way, shape or form able to be a starting PG for any team at this point in time. He's a SG, plain and simple. An actual PG, at the very least serviceable, would need to come back from any TP trade.
Then the only possibility is Billups with New York
LOL how do these guys get paid for this diarrhea they're spewing I'll never know.
If the Spurs trade TP they are fools. PERIOD
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