Tony Parker and his Ceiling

[JERRYBUSS]

lil French fried got.........heheheheheh

[SPARKY]

lil French fried got.........heheheheheh

Good one.

[NASHville]

lil French fried got.........heheheheheh

Who is still playing while the rest of us are fishing.

[mavsfan1000]

If San Antonio wants to dominate they need Parker to make San Antonio an offensive juggernaut. They already have the defense but maybe in 5 years he will learn all of Nash's moves and the Spurs become a dynasty.

[Sii]

lil French fried got.........heheheheheh

what a loser you are

off

[ducks]

if tony played for the suns he would easily score 20-25 points a game

[NASHville]

if tony played for the suns he would easily score 20-25 points a game

Actually he'd be Nash's backup.

[SPARKY]

Parker is a peon compared to Kobe Bryant OK. You can't base an offense around his punk ass.

*Enter straw man argument*

It was funny how he folded for four straight games last year against the Lakers.

LA changed their entire offense to stop him after getting torched in the first two by him.

I can't wait to see him get checked today by the Pistons.

Why is it that you've had to wait? Or are you really that stupid?

Sparky, you don't know a damn thing

Oh, I know a tad bit more than yourself.

and the Spurs are idiots for getting rid of Stephen Jackson he is my ######.

That's nice to know. Do you have his papers and is he branded?

[SPARKY]

What's the over/under for the combined grade level of JERRYBUSS and R2-D2? I'll say 10...

[slayermin]

Parker's perimeter game is only going to get better. I dont' see any reason why he won't be as effective as Nash, offensively. He's already a better defender.

He will be the best point guard in the game. By the time his current contract is up, he will command max money.

[mavsfan1000]

There are alot of ifs in your argument and I would not bet against San Antonio because of how good they are at home. If you knew that you wouldn't be so y on thinking the Pistons will win game 2.

[Sii]

looks like someones mommie let them get on the computer again

[boutons]

France (and Germany and half the USA) was right about not starting a bogus war in Iraq.

Shrub/ head were wrong, they are murderers with US/Iraqi blood on their hands.

R2-D2 = plonk

[ducks]

Actually he'd be Nash's backup.

actually nash would be traded for a big man

[ducks]

suns would keep tp because he is MUCH younger and is fast and nash is alot older



Spurs are idiots for getting rid of Stephen Jackson he is my ######.
spurs offered jackson the most money when he left the spurs
but they were idiots yeah whatever

[Lady M]

Only America-hating leftists could ever root for a gay frenchie!

France hates America!!!!!!!!!!

Jacques Chriac = Tony Parquer.

ANY SAN ANTONIO FAN THAT LIKE TONY PARKER IS A TRAITOR LIBERAL DEMOCRAP LEFTIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!

you are so pathetic
I'm french
I don't want french army goes in iraqi
Bush and Blair lied and we can see it all day (more than 700 iraqi death in may especially civilian), why we must go when we say you it's stupid (and we are right)

but i think don't go in Iraqi is the only good decision of Chirac

TP never say a world about the war and don't use politics tread to discribe him

[ducks]

tp's interview after saturdays practice said pop and tp watched film on billips and tp is going to do things different today. we will see if it works

[T Park]

Shrub/ head were wrong, they are murderers with US/Iraqi blood on their hands

This sentance makes as much sense as

"The division leading Houston Rockets"

[Brodels]

His defense has improved dramatically since the beginning of the 2003-04 season until now. Go watch some old tape. So I don't see how he can't continue to improve. He has begun to study his opponents and take on the challenge of becoming a good defender.

He does a pretty good job staying in front of people and anticipating. He's not going to add a ton of weight without jeopardizing his quickness, so he's not ever going to be an excellent post defender. His ability or inability to play help defense is practically negligible because the Spurs don't double on the perimeter, and if they double down low, Tony isn't going to be the man to do it. I just don't see how he's going to become that much better defensively.

We heard before the summer that he was going to work on his J last summer. I don't think that actually happened. I am hoping that this summer it will.

I thought he had actually done it. Either way, it doesn't give me much hope for this summer if he told everyone he was going to work really hard on it all summer and didn't.

He needs a shooting coach. If Malik can hire one, become an 80% FT shooter, and develop a servicable jumper, then I hardly think Tony's time is up. He doesn't need to become Ray Allen, just keep the defense honest and not allow them to collapse into the lane.

That would be cool. I think it could help.

lil French fried got.........heheheheheh

Get the out of my thread, troll.

Parker's perimeter game is only going to get better. I dont' see any reason why he won't be as effective as Nash, offensively. He's already a better defender.

It looks to me like his perimeter game has regressed. Even if you disagree, which is certainly understandable, answer this: what has he done over the past few seasons to show you that he'll improve his perimeter shooting? It really hasn't improved. I don't know what makes you think that's going to change all of a sudden.

Shrub/ head were wrong, they are murderers with US/Iraqi blood on their hands.

Eh?

Tony's game is built on footspeed. He relies on it heavily. He's not a naturally great playmaker and he's not a naturally great shooter. He could improve his shooting, but he hasn't done anything to show that he'll actually do it. He will become a better playmaker, but it's clear that he doesn't have that innate ability to become one of the best.

Tony Parker will be a top five point guard in the NBA for years, but he won't be a top three point guard.

[bigbendbruisebrother]

Here are some specifics from 82games.com:

* During the regular season 58% of his shots were jumpshots, and he hit 40.5% of those shots.

* During the playoffs, 65% of his attempts have been jumpshots, and he's hit 36.1% of those (playoff teams have done a better job preventing TP from getting to the rack).

* During 2003-2004, 68% of TP's attempts were jumpshots and he hit 39.8% of those.

* During 2002-2003, 67% of his attempts were jumpshots, and he hit 42.8% of those.

Regarding free throws:
In 2002-2003, TP shot 75.5% from the line.
In 2003-2004, TP shot 71.3% from the line.
This season, TP shot 65% from the line.

[Brodels]

Here are some specifics from 82games.com:

* During the regular season 58% of his shots were jumpshots, and he hit 40.5% of those shots.

* During the playoffs, 65% of his attempts have been jumpshots, and he's hit 36.1% of those (playoff teams have done a better job preventing TP from getting to the rack).

* During 2003-2004, 68% of TP's attempts were jumpshots and he hit 39.8% of those.

* During 2002-2003, 67% of his attempts were jumpshots, and he hit 42.8% of those.

Regarding free throws:
In 2002-2003, TP shot 75.5% from the line.
In 2003-2004, TP shot 71.3% from the line.
This season, TP shot 65% from the line.

Those are some great stats. I'm shocked that 65% of his shots in the playoffs have been from the perimeter. I didn't think it would be that high. I'm also a little shocked that he's only hit 36% of them.

His free throw shooting numbers are a little disturbing.

[ducks]

tp has had about 4 bad games in the playoffs you take those away and he shoots a better %

[picnroll]

for the 04 Grizz series, I distinctly remember Hubie complimenting Tony's unstoppable layups "and he does it right in right in face of your big men", not his outside shot.

Parker was nailing the threes in that series as well as mid-range shots. It was a glimpse of what he could be if he ever develops a consistent outside shot. sigh

[mavsfan1000]

The only way San Antonio can lose a series is if Parker disappears.

[NCaliSpurs]

I can't prove that he can't, just like you can't prove that he can. He uses his speed to get into the lane. He uses it to push the ball. I guess I'm not exactly clear what he's going to do to use his speed more effectively. Explain some facets of his game that can improve if Tony uses his speed more effectively.

The bold parts, read em again. This is exactly why you shouldn't use them in an argument. I was just pointing out your flawed reasoning.

Shouldn't he have been better from downtown last season because he had more attempts? If I read your argument correctly, that should have been the case.

You must not have read my argument correctly. I wasn't saying anything about any other season other than THIS season. Tony struggled mightily with his shot early in the season. Somehow, he came out of it to raise his fg% to a career high (and top 5 in all point guards if I recall correctly). He did this by reducing the number of jumpshots he took as a percentage of his total shot attempts. That's all I was saying or implying.

I just think a comparison of his play today vs. his play in past seasons kills that argument.

I agree. I never really brought in the past beyond saying that the jumpshot has a taken backseat to everything else in his repertoire. Thus, he is inconstistent.

You must be Nostradamus, seeing that you're making up quotes. If you would have the decency, it would be great if you would actually respond to what I said instead of making things up that I didn't say.

I said that you said:
"It's clear that he is never going to be a better playmaker."

You actually said:

it's clear that he's never going to be among the game's great playmakers

Which is why I didn't quote you directly, and I just paraphrased you. I thought you implied his playmaking wasn't going to get better (thus mentioning it as an argument in a topic with a le of "Has Parker hit is ceiling?").

I feel that he'll improve as a playmaker.

So then why has he hit his ceiling?

And given that, what makes you think that his playmaking is suddenly going to improve as a pace faster than he's been improving at in the past?

Nash never was in the top 5 for MVP voting until this year. What, 9 years in the league?

Name me five current point guards who did their biggest growing as playmakers after they've played in the league for almost five years.

Before you assume what the stats are, you go look for them. You post them. I know what you'll find. Tony is doign quite well in all areas except assists. But I would argue this is situational, being dependant on Tony's team. You will disagree because it wouldn't support your argument. What's the point?

Just for farts and giggles:
Whose YEAR 4 numbers are these

YEAR TEAM G GS MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF TOT AST STL BLK TO PF PTS 
99-00  DAL    56 27 27.4 .477 .403 .882 .60 1.60 2.20 4.9 .66 .05 1.82 2.20 8.6

That would be the 31 year old mvp Nash.

Look at Magic, Kidd, Isiah...those guys were great playmakers and you knew they were going to be almost right away.

Tony being a top notch point guard doesn't mean he has be in that group.

If he's not going to get to that great playmaker level, I'm not convinced that there will be a ton of improvement in that area.

Too bad for you. I don't this is the type of thing that can really be predicted. I belive the Spurs front office disagrees with you. Tony has a contract to prove it.

In my mind, improving his jump shot is the one thing that could allow him to become great and take his game to the next level.

I won't say it is the ONE thing, because there are a ton of other aspects to the game besides taking 18-23 fters.

But it is his biggest weakness (along with FT%). We'll see if he can improve.