Nice memory, Spurm. I remember that column. I think it was May who also called the Spurs "choking dogs" and an "embarrasment to the league" after the 2001 WCF (either May or Dan Shaugnessy or Bob Ryan).
Boston hate is mostly grounded in the feeling that they were the ones who were en led to Tim Duncan.
Brent simply isn't fast in lateral movement, but I've quit watching his defense, since he has been hustling his butt real good, getting his hands out, deflecting balls, catching deflections, pushing the fast break, shooting outlet pases, I think he's stepping up
LIKE IT WAS HIS FIRST ING FINALS.
Now, I wish a couple of his 3Gs would drop, but that wouldn't be enough to keep him on the court without his all-around effort and play.
Barry has been fine this series. He hasn't produced a whole lot, but he also hasn't been asked to or given the opportunity. I didn't think he got a lot of respect on the calls in Game 1, and he was a nice cog in Game 2 for the ball movement.
the standards for Brent Barry have fallen dramatically obviously.
I always thought the standard was too high to begin with.
yeah,
I guess making wide open shots, was a little too much for Brent to handle.
The Pistons are talking about doubling Manu...
They aren't going to double off of Duncan.
They aren't going to double off of Bowen after what he just did to them.
They aren't going to double off of Parker.
They haven't been leaving Horry very much and I don't expect that to change.
They aren't going to double off of Nazr...#1 because that would be Ben Wallace. #2. Nazr will o board and dunk on them if they do.
Barry will get open looks tonight if he gets PT with Manu. That's been a great combination all season and the usual cause of Barry's best games. I think he will have a good shooting game tonight. I think it's safe to say he will at least tie his best scoring game of the series
He's only taken 4 all series... It's not like he's a liability out there.
Barry has been scared to shoot a lot this series. Luckily it hasn't hurt the Spurs because everyone else is playing well. But honestly, I've never seen a guy able to guard himself as well as Barry does. Even if he's wide open, most of the time he won't face the basket and will drift toward defenders so when he catches the ball it doesn't appear that he's as wide open as he is.
Luckily, he's a pretty good passer (other than the times he gets nervous and throws stupid passes). Defensively, he's trying hard but has made Lindsey Hunter look like an All-Star at times.
I don't know, I think they might still be willing to gamble on Bowen... If not for the little hot streak at the end, his line would have looked pretty bad.They aren't going to double off of Bowen after what he just did to them.
It's still probably their best bet, but that just shows you the lack of options defenses have against this team.
Yeah...because teams just always leave the 17th best 3 shooter in NBA history open all game long...especially after watching what he did to Phoenix.
Figure it out...
#1. Denver gambled on him in game 2. He burnt them. They didn't do it again.
#2. And this was the stupid criticism...Seattle ing knew what he could do...they wanted him back remember? They don't think he's a choker, they don't he's a guy you dare to shoot. Only Spursfans and D'antoni are that stupid.
#3. The Pistons use less double teams than any team in the NBA and they are a grest perimeter defensive team. They don't disrespect what Barry can do...
Look at it this way...Stephen Jackson's worse shooting series of 03 was against the Lakers...but that was the series he had the most impact in...
You know why? Because Phil Jackson tested him during the regular season and Jax smoked their ass every time...he knew he couldn't leave Jack and that's the reason Duncan was so dominant against LA...
That is the same kind of impact Barry has...Only his being the 17 best 3 shooter in NBA history pretty much makes it a forgone conclusion that you don't leave him open on the perimeter.
Yeah he could force up some bad shots...but he's just as good at finding someone with a better shot usually closer to the basket...so why should he?
By the way...Barry's pussy passing combined with Manu's and Horry's is the reason Detroit's defense looked so slow the other night.
That lightning fast passing was the way we played at the beginning of the season...and that kind of offense cannot be stopped.
I give credit to Pop
Barry has been scared to shoot a lot this series. Luckily it hasn't hurt the Spurs because everyone else is playing well. But honestly, I've never seen a guy able to guard himself as well as Barry does. Even if he's wide open, most of the time he won't face the basket and will drift toward defenders so when he catches the ball it doesn't appear that he's as wide open as he is.
Luckily, he's a pretty good passer (other than the times he gets nervous and throws stupid passes). Defensively, he's trying hard but has made Lindsey Hunter look like an All-Star at times.
Spot on.
Despite what Brenda says.
That's what you always say every time he doesn't take a lot of shots...I'll admit the guy is selective...
But I remember you saying he going to have a big scoring series against Phoenix...and expect what he did in game 1 to continue...
I sat there and told you that D'anotoni shouted on National TV that he didn't care who had the ball...to not leave Barry open again.
I said he wouldn't have another game close to that one....he didn't...
So what? He just wasn't scared in the biggest game of his life in game 1 on the road and he got scared in the rest of the series?
That's a valid criticism...but if you notice...he does that when the game doesn't really matter(isn't tight)...he doesn't do that when our offense is struggling late in games...that's when he starts looking for his shot...you need to go back and watch every game this season.Luckily it hasn't hurt the Spurs because everyone else is playing well. But honestly, I've never seen a guy able to guard himself as well as Barry does.
You just have different definition of wide open...he doesn't shoot when a guy is running at him and there's a good reason for it...he usually the misses the ing shot when he does.Even if he's wide open, most of the time he won't face the basket and will drift toward defenders so when he catches the ball it doesn't appear that he's as wide open as he is.
Defensively he's spent more time guarding Prince than Hunter...what games are you watching.Luckily, he's a pretty good passer (other than the times he gets nervous and throws stupid passes). Defensively, he's trying hard but has made Lindsey Hunter look like an All-Star at times.
if they keep leaving him open...he will start hitting.
C'mon timvp, now you're accusing Barry of drifting towards defenders so his number won't be called? Those words are tinged with some undeserved hate. I used to think Brent was scared to shoot when he passed up open shots but I'm really starting to believe that he's just very unselfish.
I've seen him hit too many pressure shots this season and postseason to believe that he's just scared. I've also seen him pass up a seemingly open shots on many occasions in regular season games with little or no pressure.
Barry didn't play an awesome game 2 but it was solid and his crisp passing really greased our offense. 5 assists and 2 steals is not too shabby. Had he hit his open looks he would have had a great game. I think he'll find his shot during this series. Hopefully tonight.
TimVP makes one valid critcism of Barry...he does guard himself...
Basically if there's a man on him or running towards him he won't shoot....this is bad for Barry but it's good for Duncan and keeping guys off of him when Barry is on the court. If they keep a defender on him his shooting won't be a factor.
Some Spurs fans get offended at a guy not wanting to chuck up shots...I think it's one of the things that makes him a good player...he will take shots when the pressure is at it's highest and everyone else is struggling..he's done it all season...in fact I think that's the kind of shots he likes to take.
This guy is adrenaline freak...he plays his best at the times when it would be revealed if he was a choker or not.
Thats all Ive asked, take and make your wide in open shots.Had he hit his open looks he would have had a great game. I think he'll find his shot during this series. Hopefully tonight
Do I have confidence in him tongiht??
Yes, I have confidence in his shot everytime he shoots, but 2 or 1 or 3 shots a game is bull .
barry plays like a scared little girl sometimes. its been not too rare of an occurrence in this year's playoffs to see him get pressured and curl up into a little ball right on the ing court. that is the most disturbing sight these eyes have seen in quite some time.
Why the do you guys want some guy out there shooting 2 -10 from 3 point range on a night the team is tearing it up from 3 point line?
What was wrong with our offense? It was of a lot better than it was in game 1 when Barry couldn't stay on the court.
Our offense was kicking ass....like it has all ing season when Barry is on the court for more than 25 mins and getting to the handle the ball...
Our offense dominated Detroit and Barry was one of the reasons for it...the only times we have passed like that this season is when Barry was getting the ball...it's a contagious thing and the whole team picks up on that tempo. Just like the did during the best start in team history.
Like I already said...that quick passing is why Detroit looked so damn slow on their rotations.
And I think the passing was quick by design...I think it was a Spurs game plan to beat them with quick passing..because the transition isn't there.
He played well in every game that series. He came up huge in the first three games. Put Barry in a wide open series where teams run and defense isn't the main thing, and he's one of the best players in the leauge. That's why I said going into that series that he was going to be awesome.
But the same rule applies to this series. I said before it began that he would struggle and he has. For you being the Brent Barry expert, it's rather odd that I'm the one able to predict how he is going to play.
I've watched every game this season and have watched each playoff game at least twice. What are you watching? Telling me to watch more Spurs game is like telling mouse to grow out his hair.That's a valid criticism...but if you notice...he does that when the game doesn't really matter...he doesn't do that when our offense is struggling late in games...that's when he starts looking for his shot...you need to go back and watch every game this season.
You know exactly what I'm talking about when I say Barry guards himself. A couple times this series he's drifted when he caught the ball just so he didn't have to take the shot. As a basketball player, I've done that myself when I don't want to take a shot. It's a common thing to do. You just don't see it that much on the NBA level with players who were born to shoot.
Pretty true. But against a team like the Pistons, you aren't going to have many chances with NO ONE running at you. It's not going to happen. Luckily the Spurs haven't needed him to hit a shot. If they do -- and they probably will, he's going to have to knock down some contested threes. The bad news is I don't remember a whole lot of contested threes that he's taken and made this season. You are correct about that. He's not a Jaren or Stephen Jackson who can shoot threes even if they are guarded.You just have different definition of wide open...he doesn't shoot when a guy is running at him and there's a good reason for it...he usually the misses the ing shot when he does.
What the are you watching? He hasn't guarded Prince that much. As I said before the series started, Pop has to match him up against Hunter and Pop has done just that. The only times he guards Prince is when he's switched or someone else is waiting to check in. If you notice, LB calls clearouts for anyone who Barry is guarding ... and even a couple times for freakin' Lindsey Hunter. Lindsey might be the worst offensive player in the league.Defensively he's spent more time guarding Prince than Hunter...what games are you watching.
Barry tries on defense, I'll give him that. He knows he can't come out there and play no defense and expect to stay on the court. But to say he's been a good defender is crazy. The best I can say about him is he hasn't gotten burned more than five times a game. The couple times he's been switched off onto Rip Hamilton, Hamilton has feasted.
I think it's funny that a bunch ing AJ fans are ripping a guy for not shooting...
I know none of you ers are over 25...if you were you'd know that AJ took less open shots than any player in NBA history...
TwoHandJam calls me out but then the ultimate Barry supporter backs me up.
Classic.
then whats your excuse for your inability to understand what avery johnson brought to this franchise? man AJ ate mentally soft es like your boy barry for breakfast and them out at four thirty.
TimVP...you force me to rewatch game 2 to see just how much time Barry spent on Prince...He guarded Prince a lot in that game...
And Pop's been putting him more on the long SF's in the playoffs that he has the smaller point guards for virtually the entire playoff run...
You know why? Because he does a better job against the longer taller players than he does against the smaller guards...
And it's been that way all playoffs long...maybe you are right and that he does guard the smaller guards more...and did so in game 2...but it doesn't make any sense because he hasn't done a good job of that yet in these playoffs.
I mean I don't know what makes anyone think a 6'7 34 year old white guy is the man to call to keep a 6'2 PG type out of the paint...back up or not.
Whereas he has done a good job against the longer SF's...guys you wouldn't think he would do a good job on. This means Anthony, this means Lewis...against Phoenix he guarded Jackson mainly and somet time on Marion and he did a of a good job on Jackson by the way.
TwoHandJam calls me out but then the ultimate Barry supporter backs me up.
Classic.
Here is what Whottt said:
Right. That's exactly like saying Barry drifts towards defenders.TimVP makes one valid critcism of Barry...he does guard himself...
Basically if there's a man on him or running towards him he won't shoot....
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