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Just to be sure that you know, I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. I just wanted to weigh in on the correlation of FTA to FGA and your post offered me that chance.
Not only is it a lame excuse, it has no statistical validity. Here's the breakdown of Detroit's games through Tuesday.
OFFICIAL CREW Flagrants Techs Det-FTA Opp-FTA
Fryer Willard NiesW 106-85 0 0 24 20
Bavetta Callahan BrothersW 99-84 0 2 23 21
Willard McCutheon GarretsonL 115-104 0 1 25 25
Delaney Jones JavieW97-92 0 0 24 16
Rush Foster CorbinW88-78 0 1 27 20
Fryer Kersey ClarkW96-81 0 0 40 24
Callahan Garretson CorbinL92-83 0 0 19 14
D.Crawford Forte WashingtonL79-74 0 1 28 27
Delaney Grillo JavieW89-76 0 1 20 28
Rush Nies J.CrawfordW86-67 0 0 14 19
Salvatore Spooner MauerW88-79 0 1 24 7
Fryer Delaney CallahanW90-81 0 0 12 10
Bavetta Rush WashingtonL92-86 0 2 23 23
D. Crawford Willard ForteL113-104 0 3 43 54
Stafford Nies J.CrawfordW106-96 0 1 39 39
Mauer Garretson JavieL88-76 0 1 20 23
Salvatore Fryer D. CrawfordW91-66 0 2 19 18
Bavetta Rush J. CrawfordW88-82 0 0 15 24
Callahan Garretson JavieL84-69 0 1 14 15
Fryer D. Crawford NiesL97-76 0 2 16 34
There's not any real strong correlation one could make. With the exception of a few games, there's not a huge free throw disparity (best measure of lopsided officiating), and even that doesn't always correlate with the final outcome of the game. Sure, Dan Crawford has been on the crew during some losses, but he was also there (along with Bernie Fryer) for their 91-66 thrashing of the Wade-less Heat. And Fryer is associated with more wins than losses. Garretson officiated games where Iverson and Wade lit up the Pistons' defense for 37 and 40 points, respectively, which probably had more to do with those losses than anything else.
More likely, Brown and the Pistons are simply biased by the fact that Crawford officiated the most free-throw, technical-foul laden game of the playoffs (a 113-104 loss to Miami).
I suspect if one dug deeper in the box scores (and if Detroit dug deeper beyond the B.S. they're shoveling in the media), they'd find that they lost not based on who was officiating, but on the "intangibles." You know, little things like rebounds, assists, turnovers....
Last edited by GhostofAlfrederickHughes; 06-14-2005 at 03:08 PM.
Just to be sure that you know, I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. I just wanted to weigh in on the correlation of FTA to FGA and your post offered me that chance.
Bad calls didn't get the pistons down by 23, bad decision making and bad team managment did. Yeah the calls that went against them didn't help when they made their push, but they never should have put themselves in that kinda situation.
No problem. Stop being so damn nice....SPURS SUCK*
*J/K
dang.......as long as we don't get the "old man" 2 nite......
i don't think he's biased either way.....but the old man ....seees things that are not there!
Two of those choices, maybe three add up to the 2-0 deficit the Pistons now face. With Wade and James on your team instead of Ham and Darko, this could be a different series. The same could be said about Carlisle, if LB's health or interaction with the Cavs wasn't a part of the Pistons mindset at this time, maybe the Pistons could focus on the task at hand. I don't think G.Hill sould have been on the playoff roster the year he destroyed his ankle by competing in the playoffs, Grant was a man about it, but it was Joe that rode the horse 'til it died.
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Yes, we saw that and did you see him when asked about the officiating and he said "next question" refusing any other kind of response?Have you checked out the Pistons fan site and read all the complaints and false hopes. Now, I'm not saying the Pistons are done but they sure are close to it. WHEN the Spurs win tonight, we can start bringing out the brooms. We have to win this first one up there. The foot is on their throats then and it will all be over but the awarding of the trophy!
The previous 3 rounds have shown that complaining about the refs benefits the Spurs.
Why? Because even when the other team complains, and even if the refs call the game differently from game to game (which will undoubtedly happen tonight, because it's 3 new refs, because it's the Pistons' home floor, and because Brown complained) - the bottom line is that the Spurs adjust their game, and the Pistons are apparently incapable of doing so.
I think Brown pointing out how his team has consistantly lost when two refs are in the game makes his team look WEAK. You can only win if the refs call the game the way you want? THat's no champion. A champion finds a way to win, to adjust to how the game is called.
Keep complaining Brown, keep your team focused on the refs. That will send the Spurs home with the trophy even earlier.
Crawford=NO BS= T's
Pistons should use the Spurs tactic and joke with the refs and kiss them lon the cheek like Horry. It works. 5 championships and soon 1 more.
I was watching that Shaq show and Doleac mentioned how at one point either Steve Kerr or Horry was on the championship team for 10 straight years. That's a pretty amazing run for those two guys...
Actually, last year was the first year in 11 that the champ didn't have either Horry or Kerr. There's a chance that those two will make it 11 out of 12 . . . .
The way the Spurs held their composure in Game #5 of the Suns series was just incredible. , I lost my composure at home and I couldn't believe Pop wasn't getting T'd up (especially in the 1st half). But low and behold, we were stride for stride with them the whole game even being on the wrong end of tons of terrible calls (do the back to back to back off the ball offensive fouls ring a bell?) and the Spurs kept playing like they didn't even notice. This team is professional in every aspect and is good enough to play 5 on 8. Bring on the crappy refs tonight. You know it's going to happen, I know it, the Spurs know it and we don't care. We'll win anyway!
What that staggering statistic proves is that the Pistons can't adjust to the way a particular ref calls the game--but the other team can.
That's a pretty lame excuse for your defense.
Let me finish for you, Spurs, only the 2nd team to ever win the first 2 games by 15 or more points. Then lose the next 4 in a row
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