I was watching Cold Pizza this morning and from the looks of the most recent comments, Larry Brown is looking a little desperate. Yesterday he said something to the effect that the Pistons were 1-7 these playoffs when "a certain official" called the games and 11-1 when the mystery man was not on the crew. In one of the stranger sites I've seen Woody Paige actually spoke some sense. He broke things down and showed that they are 1-4 when Danny Crawford works their games and 0-3 when someone else (maybe Salvatore?) is on the crew, and that his 11-1 claim couldn't possibly be right because of the way the reffing assignments were spread around. Now I'm not blaming Larry's math here, but I am a little upset at his comments.
Up until now all he had said regarding his team not getting calls is that the Spurs were just being more aggressive, and that earns them calls. This seems like a reversal of policy, and a disapointing one at that. What does everyone here think, should he be fined?
The Pistons are 1-4 when Crawford officiates, 0-3 when Ron Garrettson officiates, and 11-1 when neither is there.
Those two call tight games. What it means is that the Pistons cannot adjust to tight officiating.
It also means that we should expect a different type of game tonight.
Was Phil Jackson ever fined? He did the same things when his teams lost.
There may be some truth to it, but its just another excuse for the Pistons, I am severely disappointed in how they have handled calls going against them thru the play-offs, this no respect angle seems to have backfired on them.... We'll see whats up tonight
11-2
LB is just trying to get his team some calls. I'm pretty disappointed in his comments, because here is a coach who preaches "playing the right way" who is looking for cheap calls. It's not the officials fault the Pistons lack intensity. They really look overmatched vs. the Spurs.
All teams can ALWAYS find fault with the officiating. In game 5 v. Pho the Spurs were getting hosed big time in the first quarter...but they just kept on playing, in time the calls evened out and they won the game. You lose by 2 you can point to the officials maybe, you lose by 15 and 21....bull , look in the mirror.
I'd like to see less ticky-tack fouls called on both ends tonight... I think the Spurs are just as capable as the Pistons of succeeding in that kind of game. It's not like the Spurs can't rough you up on defense as well.
larry is working the refs. pistons make a lot of contact on the defensive end which of course is subject to the peccadilos of the officiating crew on any given night. spurs are no stranger to this though pop does emphasize less reliance on hand grabs and slaps and more on good footwork and rotations
I'm ticked off about it because he was hoping to single two of the refs that I think are the most fair. Dan Crawford is one of my favorites, because he is consistent and fair to both teams. Even if I disagree with some of his calls, he's not lopsided in any way.
And to see Larry Brown ing about refs just ticks me off, frankly. I thought he was above that.
and the crybaby cries...
It's pretty well known that there's a lot of animosity between Garretson and Sheed. Those guys just don't like each other. Games reffed by Garretson tend to give Sheed a bad whistle.
Still, champions play over bad officiating. The Spurs have seen their fair share of bad calls in these playoffs as well. That's not the reason the Pistons have been dominated the past 5 quarters of basketball. The Spurs are dissecting the Pistons defense right now and are totally disrupting the Pistons offense at the other end.
just goes to show Larry knows nothing about "the right way"
sorry if the refs dont put up with the dirty pistons play, Larry you need to shut the up and learn to make some baskets
You know, the Pistons organization has done nothing to make this team better (personell-wise) pretty much since Larry took over. Carlisle got unfairly canned IMO, and LB just got to work with the talent he helped assemble.
Well, getting Rasheed was a pretty good pickup, but that's just the nature of the beast in the NBA. Guys get a le and when they turn free agent they suddenly have a much bigger price tag because other teams want their "championship experience and leadership" in the locker room. James, Okur, Williamson all split for greener pastures, fatter checks, and more PT.
You are right about Carlisle though. If he had had the same team that Brown had last year I think he could have won a championship. , look at the job he did with the depleted Pacers squad this year.
Last edited by spurs_fan_in_exile; 06-14-2005 at 10:37 AM. Reason: Forgot something
Like Danny Crawford is any friend of the Spurs...While I do believe that some refs have a quicker whistle than others, IMO they all are consistent among the teams. If a ref has a quick whistle with the Spurs, he will have it with the Heat, the Pistons, the Suns, etc. Disparity in FTA is because of the way teams play. If a team attacks the rim, they will get more whistles. If they do nothing but shoot from outside, they won't go to the freethrow line very much.
That was ignorant, The Pistons shot 6 3s all game, the spurs shot 24 3s, the Pistons outrebounded the Spurs, and put up 20 more FGA, who is attacking and who is not?? Spurs 34 FTA, the Pistons 16 FTA.... Granted the Pistons got smoked, but don't say they didn't attack, that would be ignorant
Carlisle didn't have anything to do with assembling any talent. That's Dumars job and his job alone. He takes input from his coaches, but they don't make the decisions. Remember, part of Carlisle's undoing was his insistence on playing Michael Curry and not developing Prince and Okur. While LB certainly hasn't been a perfect coach (his handling of Darko has been less than ideal, as was his at ude after the brawl) every Piston to a man says they are a better player for having played under Brown. You weren't hearing those kind of comments about Carlisle when he left. Carlisle had certainly done something to alienate the players to a certain degree and the owner as well. Carlisle's a good coach, but he wasn't going to get a contract extension so it was time for him to go.
The refs have to get tired of the pistons crying after every call or non call
when rashweed fell to the floor whining ,what a chump
just shut up and play you might be surprised , the refs respect those who respect them
Larry shut up and coach
mix in a layup drill they suck
This is not an excuse, but how is it that in the playoffs Detroit is 1-7 when Ron Garretson and Dan Crawford official when otherwise they are 11-1. That cannot be a coincidence. It is a staggering statistic.
Excuse
It doesn't matter who the refs are.
probobaly cuz crawford is in the players heads just like he's in yours.
Spurs, only the 2nd team to ever win the first 2 games by 15 or more points. Pistons just got owned. Deal with it.
My opinion of Larry Brown just went down another notch.
http://www.freep.com/sports/pistons/...e_20050614.htm
And Brown expects his team to keep their heads about the officiating while setting this kind of example?Who's the biased ref?
June 14, 2005
"There's a simple statistic. We're 1-7 with one referee, and we're 11-1 with the rest." — LARRY BROWN
This time, the Pistons' coach blasted a ref. But which one?
On Monday, Brown blamed part of the Pistons' lack of composure on an unnamed official.
He didn't identify this official.
But if he really feels that way, maybe he should have identified two officials.
Here's the Pistons' playoff record under two refs:
Ron Garretson
0-4
Dan Crawford
1-3
Neither
11-1
Note: Garretson and Crawford have not worked a Pistons playoff game together.
Rasheed Wallace was already fined $20,000 for ref-bashing in the Miami series. How much will Larry pay today?
Ridiculous.
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