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    If the Spurs were going to take over a big salary I'd much rather have Varejao anyways. Tim's not going to effectively guard the 4 anymore, so I'd rather get a PF to play with him if the team is going le or bust.
    If a deal involving Jefferson to net a big man can't be done, a McDyess-Blair-Butler for Varejao trade makes some sense for both sides. It would benefit Cleveland's rebuilding aspirations as the move would help them clear roughly 9 million in cap space for next off-season (over 35 million in total savings for the duration of his contract). At the same time, they get a young rebuilding prospect in Blair for cheap, who would split minutes with Tristan Thompson at the 4 spot.

    My question is would the Spurs be willing to add on that significant salary for the next 3 years? Or would they be hesitant and ask for a future asset (lottery protected draft pick/Eyenga) in return as well for taking on that salary for a middle-tier big man?
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    Dont know if this has been posted yet, but the Clippers made an offer to New Orleans for the services of Chris Paul, which they are saying may have included Bledsoe, Aminu, Kaman, and 1st round draft pick...so big IF this happens we can waive bye bye to Kaman...

    http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/s...ris-paul-offer
    This trade would definitely open the door for a RJ/Dice/Blair for Ariza/Okafor swap, especially if David West walks in free agency. If the Hornets are willing to trade Paul for expirings, and West leaves, they'll be looking to clean house completely.

    If a deal involving Jefferson to net a big man can't be done, a McDyess-Blair-Butler for Varejao trade makes some sense for both sides. It would benefit Cleveland's rebuilding aspirations as the move would help them clear roughly 9 million in cap space for next off-season (over 35 million in total savings for the duration of his contract). At the same time, they get a young rebuilding prospect in Blair for cheap, who would split minutes with Tristan Thompson at the 4 spot.

    My question is would the Spurs be willing to add on that significant salary for the next 3 years? Or would they be hesitant and ask for a future asset (lottery protected draft pick/Eyenga) in return as well for taking on that salary for a middle-tier big man?
    One thing about trading for Varejao while keeping RJ is that it makes the Spurs more likely to amnesty RJ next year, IMO. That would solve some of the problem of tax payments, given Duncan's $21M is coming off the books after this season.

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    agree about some points and he for sure isn't as underrated, as some posters think.
    on the other hand, for example, he did play a pretty good Eurobasket alongside Dirk this summer. he was the tournaments #1 in RPG and #1 in double-doubles, #2 in BPG, #2 in FG%, #7 in PPG.
    they don't show a PER or efficiency ranking (and I don't want to calculate it), but I'm pretty sure he would at least be top 5 in such a ranking.

    if his BB IQ was that low, he wouldn't succeed like that in a FIBA tournament.

    bottom line: he won't bring Spurs back to cantender status, but considering our assets a trade for him without give up on Tim, Tony, Manu would be a sensational move. but also considering the kind of move this would be, the Clippers will ask for some more than what was mentioned here. (Blair as the trow in talent) for example the 1st round pick 2012 (what will be a very deep draft) and maybe even another young player like Anderson or Leonard.
    You had me up to here. Why on earth would the Spurs ever consider including a young kid (Leonard) as a part of any trade scenario? Leonard is a young player in which the Spurs valued so much and felt so strongly about that they were forced to sacrifice one of their key players and fan favorite in (George Hill). Leonard is a young talented player who could be an intergal part of the Spurs future and he hasn't even hit the court yet.

    That proposal, even hypotheticially, makes no sense and would never happen.

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    Pop's wet dream of a C.

    TD to play 4 only hitting J's and avoiding bruising inside...

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    Not much of a shot now. Butler to sign with Clips, they wont need a SF now, RJ to be cut
    What?

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    It's called talking out of one's ass syndrome.

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    He keeps flinging stuff against the wall. You'd think something would have stuck by now.

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    Kaman would be better than nothing, but he's an average player that can't consistently create his own offense against good defenders..he's a below average overall defender..

    He would be a nice addition, in regards to size, but overall, he isn't a standout player..

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    Outside of Nene, Kaman is probably the best the Spurs can hope for - given their limited resources and assets.

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    Very good second option if Spurs can't land Nene but I am very woried about Kaman's duribilty.

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    No surprise.

    RJ had NO trade value.

    NONE.

    Just like I've been posting forever.

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    RJ had NO trade value.

    NONE.

    Just like I've been posting forever.
    Someone thought RJ had trade value? Ouch.

    The question with RJ's trade value is how negative it was. Would a team have eaten his contract if the Spurs threw in picks and Blair? What about picks and Splitter?

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    No surprise.

    RJ had NO trade value.

    NONE.

    Just like I've been posting forever.

    Maybe he did, but maybe when push came to shove Spurs didn't like what was offered. Just like when they fielded calls for Parker. He wasn't traded, does that mean he had No trade value? NONE?

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    Parker had value.

    RJ didn't.

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    Maybe he did, but maybe when push came to shove Spurs didn't like what was offered. Just like when they fielded calls for Parker. He wasn't traded, does that mean he had No trade value? NONE?
    What tells me RJ had no trade value is: 1) No one other than the Spurs stepped up when Milwaukee was desperate to unload him in '09 and 2) I can't recall a single offer RJ got (other than the Spurs' hush money offer) when he opted out of his guranteed contract in '10.

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    MaNu4Tres....

    "Best you let this go."

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    What tells me RJ had no trade value is: 1) No one other than the Spurs stepped up when Milwaukee was desperate to unload him in '09 and 2) I can't recall a single offer RJ got (other than the Spurs' hush money offer) when he opted out of his guranteed contract in '10.
    1) Portland offered a deal but it included guaranteed salary for multiple years.

    2) The reason R.J didn't get a single call was because he already had a pre-arranged deal with the Spurs in May of 2010. That is why he opted opt on a guaranteed 15 million last season (not hard to figure out). That's the reason why he went on his honey-moon with Luke Walton for the majority of the summer and never visited any other team during the F.A process. The deal was pre-arranged in order for the Spurs to avoid the potentially steep luxury tax hit of over 20 million.

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    MaNu4Tres....

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    Touche

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    Parker had value.

    RJ didn't.
    Correction:

    Parker had great trading value.

    RJ had negative trading value. (still value; nonetheless; I.E Hedo, Rashard Lewis)

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    It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.

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    It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.
    Sorry bud but you're wrong here. If you heard anything in regards of New Jersey being a realistic possibility, it was all smoke and mirrors hoopla to put a cement slab over what really transpired under the table.

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    my track record speaks for itself.

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    It did later come out iirc that RJ opted out because he thought he was going to get a better deal from New Jersey. Too bad for him they decided to blow money on other scrubs like Outlaw and Petro. He wasn't doing the Spurs a favor, he was looking out for himself first and foremost.
    Better than 4/40?! If RJ was that desparate after the Nets went the other direction, why did the Spurs pay him so much?

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    Better than 4/40?! If RJ was that desparate after the Nets went the other direction, why did the Spurs pay him so much?
    Because they made a bad decision.

    Because if a player has to run around cones for the coach to even be considered for a return (as Pop intimated if not outright said), then that player shouldn't be brought back.

    Maybe they gave him their floor, maybe they didn't, but he went chasing after a better deal from NJ, didn't get it, and they were dumb enough to think that they had to bring him back, that they were up against the wall, that their only other options were rookie James Anderson or minimum free agents so they caved.

    What they and so many others failed to realize . . . James Anderson and minimum salary players WERE better options.

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