Appreciating Kobe

[DeadlyDynasty]

Do you think the Lakers can beat the Heat?


No.

kthx

[DPG21920]

Yes, I do. Do I think they are favorites? No. Do I think they can? More than I thought the Mavs could.

K, thx.

[DeadlyDynasty]

Yes, I do. Do I think they are favorites? No. Do I think they can? More than I thought the Mavs could.

K, thx.

I never fancied you a liar, tbh

[DPG21920]

Also, Even if you don't think they can beat the Heat that isn't the point Laker fan is trying to make. They are arguing that they don't have the talent to really compete at all and that the reason Kobe is chucking is because it's their system and he has to.

[DPG21920]

I never fancied you a liar, tbh

I'm not lying. I think LA, compared to what I (and likely most people) thought about the Mavs chances were, is better.

[DPG21920]

Arguing that no teams are contenders unless they can clearly beat the Heat is quite silly IMVHO.

[ElNono]

He modeled his game after the best of all time, how is that a bad thing?

He's the cheap knockoff... he certainly didn't model losing finals trying to be the hero from the GOAT...

Now he's been reduced to chasing the GOAT numbers... just sad state of affairs, really. He's definitely talented and a great athlete... you have to wonder what would've been of him if he didn't try as hard to look like somebody else.

[DeadlyDynasty]

I'm not lying. I think LA, compared to what I (and likely most people) thought about the Mavs chances were, is better.

The Heat have improved their roster. The Lakers didn't. The Lakers are terribly unathletic (outside of Kobe) at PG, SG, and SF. We also signed a bunch of lame white guys.

The Heat would sweep...maybe, just maybe the Lakers take one game.

[DMC]

You guys are silly. So PJ had no reason to to jab his finger in Pau's chest? We had no reason to trade Pau for CP3? Mitch saw we had a le ready team but just was gonna blow that up correct?

You guys are so basketball smart. SO it makes sense to build up the Lakers so you can blame Kobe? Pot meet kettle DPG and DMC ...

The Lakers made trades after they won les.

The Spurs fans are begging to get Tiago minutes, and you guys ignore Bynum and Pau. We would kill kittens for either of them.

[ElNono]

Lakers ain't making the Finals, so the only Heat-Lakers you're gonna see is regular season, tbh

[DPG21920]

The Heat have improved their roster. The Lakers didn't. The Lakers are terribly unathletic (outside of Kobe) at PG, SG, and SF. We also signed a bunch of lame white guys.

The Heat would sweep...maybe, just maybe the Lakers take one game.

That's not the point and I don't think that is true either because if LA is in the finals, that means the figured out how to play with their team to maximize all their talent.

[DeadlyDynasty]

That's not the point and I don't think that is true either because if LA is in the finals, that means the figured out how to play with their team to maximize all their talent.

Kobe
Bynum
sometimes Pau (when he's not suffering uterine cramps)


What other talent are you referring to?

[DMC]

If anybody thinks this Lakers team can beat the Heat (w/o injuries) 4 times out of 7 games, then they need to contemplate suicide

This Lakers team won't be in the playoffs. This Lakers team isn't good enough. They have to find some cohesion. But these players can make a team that can compete, they just have to do it.

[DMC]

Kobe
Bynum
sometimes Pau (when he's not suffering uterine cramps)


What other talent are you referring to?

The Spurs won rings with Duncan, Manu and Parker with some good role players.

I would take a solid big over a solid PG.

[DPG21920]

Kobe
Bynum
sometimes Pau (when he's not suffering uterine cramps)


What other talent are you referring to?

When you talk about talent on teams, the most important is the top 3. Kobe/Pau/Bynum compares more than favorably with any other top 3 and I would argue since their big 3 comes with 2 top 10 players at the most important position(s) in the game, they have enough talent.

[DeadlyDynasty]

The Spurs won rings with Duncan, Manu and Parker with some good role players.

I would take a solid big over a solid PG.

Look at the teams they beat. 2003 Lakers and 2005 Pistons (who had no superstars) were the only good teams they beat in those stretches. It was a weak era in the NBA. Just like 2012 WC is an embarrassment

[DeadlyDynasty]

When you talk about talent on teams, the most important is the top 3. Kobe/Pau/Bynum compares more than favorably with any other top 3 and I would argue since their big 3 comes with 2 top 10 players at the most important position(s) in the game, they have enough talent.

Lame, and subjective.

[DPG21920]

Bron/Bosh/Wade, who else do they have?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Bron/Bosh/Wade, who else do they have?

Their roster>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lakers Roster

Are you really debating this?

[DPG21920]

Lame and subjective. Name me all this talent they have beyond the Big 3 if that is so relevant to you.

[DPG21920]

Also, are you really arguing that unless you can clearly beat the Heat that you aren't a contender? Are you really arguing that if you are a team that can win the West you shouldn't be considered a contender?

[DeadlyDynasty]

Lame and subjective. Name me all this talent they have beyond the Big 3 if that is so relevant to you.

They have more talent than the Lakers

Chalmers>>>>Fisher
James>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Barnes
Kobe=Wade
Bosh=Pau
Anthony<<<<<Bynum

Their bench>>>>Lakers Bench

Unless you really wanna make a case for:

Troy Murphy
Josh McRoberts
Steve Blake
Metta
Ebanks
Walton
Some other dudes I've never heard of.

The Heat are more talented than the Lakers, sorry to break it to you

[DeadlyDynasty]

Also, are you really arguing that unless you can clearly beat the Heat that you aren't a contender? Are you really arguing that if you are a team that can win the West you shouldn't be considered a contender?

Exactly...that's like people condsidering the New Jersey Nets were le contenders those 2 years when it was quite obvious that both those series were over before they started.

I guess Spurfan thinks the 2007 Cavs were championship material too

[DPG21920]

If you get to the finals, you are a contender. Contender by nature means you have a shot to win a le. Doesn't mean you are a favorite or even have a great shot; just a shot. If you win the West (which you said LA can do as currently constructed and I agree), you are a contender. Arguing otherwise makes you a liar and does exactly what typical Kobe fanbois do; makes excuses for him.

[DPG21920]

They have more talent than the Lakers

Chalmers>>>>Fisher
James>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Barnes
Kobe=Wade
Bosh=Pau
Anthony<<<<<Bynum

Their bench>>>>Lakers Bench

Unless you really wanna make a case for:

Troy Murphy
Josh McRoberts
Steve Blake
Metta
Ebanks
Walton
Some other dudes I've never heard of.

The Heat are more talented than the Lakers, sorry to break it to you

So basically what you are saying is the Heat really aren't that talented beyond the big 3. Cool, I agree.