Not to harp on it, but you are missing the point with regards to Kaman IMO.
Of course the Spurs could use a PF who can defend and hit mid-range shots, but they don't have a lot to offer. In a bubble, what you say would be great. The reality is that they can't be that picky and long-story short, getting a semi-competent big man in Kaman that simultaneously allows you to dump RJ and get a large expiring? That is too much to pass up. It's likely that the Spurs don't have enough to even get Kaman, so it's all probably moot, but to argue about Kaman's talent is pretty strange to me since even with his limitations he's better than Bonner/Blair and if the Spurs got him it likely means RJ is gone so it's an incredible win IMO.
In a situation like this where it becomes evident that Kaman is on the block, you have to think outside the box.
Don't think in terms of Kaman coming here, think in terms of how can the Spurs be a third or fourth team involved in facilitating a deal that brings back a power forward.
I don't see them holding up, based on past history and the fact that this season is being played at such a fast pace. Not sure why adding a third underwhelmer is better than only having 2.
Because you can't get what you need you instead go and make a move for something you don't? I don't follow the logic. And dumping a prospect just to get rid of Jefferson's ass? It's basically a mini Scola Trade.
This ain't happening. The Hornets want cap space. Trading for RJ does the opposite for them since he has 2 years left and Kaman is up this summer. Lock this thread.
Per Chris Sheridan Twitter, Chris Kaman is going to be traded by the #Hornets. Here are three trade ideas that make some sense: http://bit.ly/z2UJoI
Would be nice to get RJ off the books a year before, but just not worth loosing draft picks and Splitter for cap space.
I would say yes for Sheridan's trade attempt.
Jefferson leaving would be one of the best Spurs moments I've had in the last 3 years.
For Splitter i would say GTFOH
If the Spurs did trade for Kaman (and only if Splitter and Kawhi weren't involved) have to agree with DPG21920, this trade should be done to get rid of RJs contract. Plus if they did make the trade (low probability) it would show the Spurs confidence in Malcolm Thomas.
Plus you immediately meet your quota for mirror images of characters from the movie 'the burbs'...
Last edited by ace3g; 01-28-2012 at 03:39 PM.
There is no way NO is going to take Jefferson as the main part of a trade for Kaman
Makes absolutely no sense. RJ contract has 3 more years. Kaman is an expiring.
They already have a younger SF who is somewhat overpaid.
bonner + blair + anderson for kaman that would work
Both Tim and Tiago are really power forwards. The Spurs don't really have a center with bulk or length. Think 7'0 260+ lb.
No.
There's nothing power forward about Tiago.
No, Tim was a power forward. Now he doesn't have the quickness nor agility for that position.
So wait, getting rid of Jefferson/Anderson/AND Green leaves us what 2&3 guards?
Manu Ginobili (Who you're not sure is going to stay healthy.)
Gary Neal (I'm good with him being the backup shooting guard.)
Kawhi Leonard (I'm good with him starting, but he'd have no veteran backup. We'd have to sign a backup SF AND a guy like Anderson who's capable of playing the 2 and the 3.)
We can always bring the CENTERPIECE and Findog back.
Is Udoka available? How about Linton Johnson (III/II?), Kieth Bogans, Bobby Simmons, Romain Sato, or Glen "Big Dog" Robinson?We can always bring the CENTERPIECE and Findog back.
Yea the Spurs have no one to match up against the Gasols of the league. Splitter and Duncan will get abused by those behemoths.
Splitter's offensive game is a center, but in the NBA his size and mobility is better off defending PF's without a doubt. And defensively, Duncan's lost too much weight, athleticism, and strength to compete against the giants of the league without getting worn down.
Spurs need to get a legit big and its not going to get much better than Kaman. Having another capable big body will finally let the Spurs use the twin towers without having to worry about using the turd towers too
Last edited by Cane; 01-28-2012 at 06:36 PM.
As DPG said, i would happily take Kaman if the deal doesnt involve Tiago or Kawhi.. just because the team isnt going anywhere with Bonner and Blair as the third and fourth bigs. Kaman as a player though is probably slightly over rated.
His career high PER is 17.5 back in 07-08. Only on two other occassions has he had a PER of above 15.0 which is the league average mark. Thats ridiculous for a guy on $14M per year. Plus for a guy considered a good post scorer.. his TS% and eFG% is quite poor. As a fourth/fifth option on offense that probably wont be as much of a problem.
He does have reasonably good rebounding numbers.. can block a shot or two and is 7 feet.. so that would be enough for me at this stage.
Last edited by mystargtr34; 01-28-2012 at 06:58 PM.
Hi,
In what reality my man?
Being English, dumb and obviously knowing nothing about basketball, I'm trying to figure out whether you're being sarcastic or serious? One would assume sarcasm due to the fact that the 3 suggested plonkers are down for approx 5-6M and the fact that quite often the joke has to be so obvious to you septics (I'm sure you have no idea what I meant by septics) to use sarcasm. We personally like to throw sarcasm out there in it's driest form and if the receipient doesn't view it as sarcasm, so be it. No justification required, i.e. no "I'm only joking" or "I'm being saracastic of course" like you guys quite often follow up with. Back on topic, Kaman's contract is for approx 14m for the remainder of his contract. The proposed trade is an epic fail.
Please let me know if I'm missing something obvious, as I go off what I read, i.e. a team over the cap can only absorb a 125% + 100K rule.
Have a nice evening.
Why would anyone want to trade for Kaman now? After all, he's an unrestricted FA after this season. If a team really wants him, they can get him for free this summer. Any team willing to part with assets for this guys would be foolish.
Because trading for him allows you to get rid of RJ's contract without using the amnesty which in turn saves you A LOT of money, free's up significant cap space and gets you immediate help upfront this year (with regards to him being better than Blair or Bonner).
would RJ and Bonner work for Diaw?
Yes, but I don't see why CHA would take on the extra years of RJ when Boris is expiring and take Matt for no reason.
DPG, any chance they see Matty as someone who can "spread the floor"? Alternatively, if he's not "spreading the floor" he can pave a red carpet to the basket.
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