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What's for Texas not to like? They get paid by ESPN regardless of whether anyone can see the LHN or not.
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Or in 15 years time, other members of the conference are able to get their own networks going.
I seriously doubt though that the LHN is the same 15 years from now as it is today.
UT has a pretty big national market.Even if they do get a Big12 network off the ground the SEC network would still be more valueable. More media markets, more TVs, more fans, better ratings.
There is a good reason ESPN wanted to give them their own network for 20 years.
I think you are over valuing the SEC and under valuing the Big 12
UT wasn't the biggest brand in college sports in 1996.
And the big12 deals won't be going up?It's still a comparison of the Big 12's new deal to the SEC's old deal. The SEC's new deal is only going to go up.
Geography is actually a big reason why they won't leave to the B1G.Maybe Texas wants better company in their own time zone.
Says you. And you're not a TV exec.Pac network that includes Texas >>>> Big 12 network. Choosing between California/Texas/Arizona/Oregon/Washington/Colorado/Utah/Oklahoma or Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/West Virginia isn't a very tough decision to make. Even if you do lump Florida and South Carolina in there, the scale still tilts heavily towards the Pac.
Someone living in New York seems a lot less likely to be watching Cal/Okie St at midnight than say OkSt/W Virginia at an earlier time.
Texas likes the cash to be sure but if they knew that A&M would get butthurt about it and leave, would they still go through with it?
I'm not so sure.
I also know Mack Brown has griped about the extra work he has taken on because of the network.
Absolutely wrong that Alabama and Florida would stand to make more from monetizing their own 3rd tier rights than by bundling in an SEC network..
Sure there are obstacles relative to other SEC schools' independent rights deals, but those are contractual obstacles.
You have no idea what kind of money is being talked about by giving up those 3rd tier rights.
For Texas, if it gets going as is expected by both ESPN and UT, the money involved makes the initial 15 million per year chump change. We are talking 40 to 50 million per year. Texas is all for the Big 12 network but that is because they don't want a cut, what they want is the rights to show Big 12 games from their stadium and arena on the LHN and let their away games go to the Big 12 network.
The strength of having your own network will trump any team such as Florida, Alabama and Oklahoma from ever giving up their 3rd tier rights. It is also going to be a driving factor in Notre Dame not joining the B1G.
Will an SEC network make lots of money, absolutely. Will it benefit aggsy, absolutely. But the money still must be divided up among 14 schools. For Florida and Bama to break even, the network payout will need to be 280 million in profit the first two years. Not even the B1G network has come close to that even to this point.
The true value of the SEC network, Big 12 network, and the B1G network is that it gives a little extra to the stains of each conference. Like Aggsy.
The real schools such as Texas, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Bama, FSU and Florida stand to make a of a lot more off starting their own network or cutting their own deal with a regional network like Fox or Sunshine.
the three schools that are totally screwed in all of this are USC, Ohio State, and Michigan. They are screwed out of their share of the pie, and don't be surprised to see USC start looking and thinking about joining a new conference. Simply put, they have more media pull than Texas does.
Think what you want, but if there is no conference affiliation then there is a strong chance greed will prevail and lots of teams are going to look out for their bottom line to include the idea that they can go independent or join conferences that will maximize their earning potential.
If the market of Texas fans isn't big enough to support a network there's certainly not any chance of any other big 12 school being able to get one.
Agreed.I seriously doubt though that the LHN is the same 15 years from now as it is today.
Well, there was a reason. The jury is still out on whether or not it was a good one. Right now, ESPN is losing big time on the LHN.UT has a pretty big national market.
There is a good reason ESPN wanted to give them their own network for 20 years.
Fair enough.I think you are over valuing the SEC and under valuing the Big 12
They were still the biggest school with the biggest following and the most financial resources in the region.
They will. They just won't be as big as the deals the SEC gets.And the big12 deals won't be going up?
Probably right. I just don't see the B1G as an impossibility.Geography is actually a big reason why they won't leave to the B1G.
Neither are you.Says you. And you're not a TV exec.
And this means what exactly? Someone living in California seems a lot less likely to watch an OkSt/W Virginia game at 10am the morning than a Cal/OkSt at a later time.Someone living in New York seems a lot less likely to be watching Cal/Okie St at midnight than say OkSt/W Virginia at an earlier time.
Last edited by coyotes_geek; 06-14-2012 at 11:51 AM.
I think they would have. It's a great deal for Texas and Texas always looks out for what makes Texas a bunch of money.
Mack makes 5 mil a year, he shouldn't be griping about anything.
ESPN obviously is asking too much for the LHN or else it would be a no brainer for companies like ATT and Time Warner to add it.
If I can get the BYU Network, (and right now I have it without asking for it) it's definitely not out of the question for other schools.
Good reason =/= good gambleWell, there was a reason. The jury is still out on whether or not it was a good one. Right now, ESPN is losing big time on the LHN.
No reason at this point to think (in 15 years) that their money won't be comparable.They will. They just won't be as big as the deals the SEC gets.
Neither are you.
And this means what exactly? Someone living in California seems a lot less likely to watch an OkSt/W Virginia game at 10am the morning than a Cal/OkSt at a later time.Point there being the time zone issue.As for San Francisco, I asked Ray Ratto of the San Francisco Chronicle.
Ray, does the East Coast Bias really exist?
"There can be no question," Ray said. "Ignoring the obvious curvature-of-the-earth and time zone issues, I refer you to the Ken Burns baseball epic, in which the entire history of the game is told through the evil prisms of New York and Boston, and through the satanic vision of Doris Kearns Goodwin."
"Sounds bad," I said. "What can be done about it?"
"The solution, of course, is to make the earth turn backward," Ray said. "Unless de-population of the entire nation east of St. Louis would work betterA third option --to make people in our business stay up late once in a while to watch a game that might happen to end after midnight -- is clearly not feasible."
http://espn.go.com/page2/s/neel/030825.html
I think the prime time match ups are the bigger keys to ratings and contracts.
Not too many ”must see” games at 11am.
Last edited by Blake; 06-15-2012 at 09:07 AM.
Story above is dated 5-7-12. Story below is dated 5-21-12.The deal is expected to be the one reported by CBSSports.com on March 13 worth a combined $2.6 billion with ESPN and Fox. The 13-year deal is projected to be worth $200 million annually to the conference (an average of $20 million per school) through 2025. For the moment, the Big 12 enters the stratosphere of the Pac-12, SEC and Big Ten, all of which are near or above the $200 million per year mark.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...w-espnfox-deal
If the Big 12 can't even keep up with the ACC there's no reason to think they'll be able to keep up with the SEC, especially once the SEC gets their network going.The Pac-12’s deal with ESPN and Fox for $250 million a year over 12 years—agreed to last year—has been a game-changer for conferences that have expanded and gone back to the negotiating table
The ACC and ESPN just signed off on a new agreement that took their one-year-old contract from an average of $155 million annually to $240 million, while adding four years and granting the network more games and marketing rights.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...#ixzz1xsy2k72x
How much will each school in the ACC be getting?
$20. Congrats to the big 12 for being able to match per team football TV revenue with a basketball conference.
You need a link to tell you how to take a figure from an article you originally linked in this thread and divide that number by the number of teams in the ACC?
$17 million per ACC team.
You're right. I didn't see Pitt or Syracuse mentioned in that sportingnews story so I assumed they weren't included and divided by 12 instead of 14. Incorrect assumption on my part.
The restructured contract, which binds the ACC and ESPN through the 2026-27 sports season, will go into effect on July 1 and is worth $3.6 billion, according to a source with knowledge of the financial details of the agreement.
Once Pitt and Syracuse become official members of the ACC, each of the league’s 14 teams will receive $17.1 million in TV revenue from the conference.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2012/05/...#storylink=cpy
After a certain point, all that money doesn't even mean that much in terms of actually winning. Texas has been the NCAA's biggest cash cow the last two years, and look where that's gotten them. The first thing these athletic admins do with that money is pay themselves and generally overpay their coaches. I don't see why the casual fan would want to obsess over that.
And now that I think about it, Aggies probably should care because they're in a load of debt, and paying off Sherman and the Big XII didn't help that.
it got them this pretty sweet locker room
Tech cant afford a ceiling logo.
Last edited by Blake; 06-15-2012 at 09:52 PM. Reason: picture too big
I stand corrected.
Tech's share of the A&M's buyout could probably buy them a sweet ass logo ceiling as well though tbh.
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