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So wait -- is thread just a subtle Trade Parker thread?
Pau wasn't the leading scorer, but he was pretty clearly the spiritual leader of the 2009 and 2010 Lakers championship team, given Kobe's attempt to chuck away the finals, particularly in 2010.
Dirk was the leading scorer for the 2011 Mavs, and has a dominant flamingo jumpshot precisely because of his height.
So, tbh, last year was an anomaly in terms of a championship team lacking the dominant big.
So wait -- is thread just a subtle Trade Parker thread?
TP is a dynamic, transcendent offensive threat capable of facilitating for teammates or going into God Mode in critical moments. This as well as a stout defense have been shown to be the critical ingredients of championship teams. I think position is really irrelevant, and the fact that PG's have not served in this role commonly is merely a correlation, not a causal argument for saying that it can't be done.
hmmm, u have the Pistons with Thomas but they did have quality bigs in Rodman and Lambeer. Then you go to Magic, but he is 6'10 and won with Abdul Jabbar. I see where you're going with this. I kinda agree
we are not beating the Heat. wake the up
Well, somebody like LaMarcus Albridge from the Blazers, Al Horford from the Hawks, I would love to have Brook Lopez, but I believe thats out of our league. Or we can try to get a young big whos dominating at the age of 22, from Orlando Nikola Vucevic. Another young guy catching my eye is from the Raptors, 20 years old, Jonas Valanciunas. This bigs are very tradeable, for the exeption of Mr. Lopez. But I can only imaging Nikola from Orlando, under Pops system and learning from the great Tim Duncan.
Reread your first post. You said that 2013 Duncan is not a dominant big, yet you provide that list of names as examples of players who are. Sorry, but that's absurd.
To do a fair comparison to the Spurs, you would have to agree that Duncan, even at his age, is better than Lambeer. Rodman was averaging about 9 points and 9 rebounds. While those are solid numbers, I don't know that they were earth-shatteringly better than Tiago's and Leonard's. I think the Pistons are a very fair comparison.
Magic was 6'10, but he played point guard. And the last couple les he won, Kareem was sucking on oxygen tanks while on the bench. No question the best player on that team was Magic, and at that point, Kareem was not the same player.
Dominant big, that doesnt mean they have to be in ESPN everyday for you to see them as dominant, theres aspects of the game that are very important, like rebounding and controlling the area around the rim. And no, we dont need LJ to win it all, we need a consistent force, a dominanting force in the paint. When Miami won last year they had Bosh dominating the rebounds, controlling the paint area. And we can go the year before and the year before and so on and on...
I did say that Tim wasnt dominant.....like he used to be, thats what I said. Tim cant bang in the paint no more, and that limits him from controlling the paint like he used to. I provide a list of players that are reachable, all this guys are reachable, with the exeption of Lopez. So, you are going to tell me, that if we had Albridge, or Horford, or even Nikola, it wouldnt make us better?
1. Tim Duncan has had a better season this year than everybody on that list. And it's not even close. So as far as a dominant big goes, the Spurs already have the most dominant big.
2. To trade for any of those inferior assets it would still most likely require giving up Parker, or a combo of Leonard and Splitter + more salary to match in some cases. Without Parker the Spurs go nowhere. And Leonard & Splitter are too high of a price to pay for one big who may or may not work out in the Spurs system.
3. The combination of Duncan+ Splitter + Leonard has been deadly this year. It would be hard to imagine another lineup with any of the players you listed + Duncan being any better.
4. Aldridge, Horford and Lopez are not available. There was a bull rumor about Aldridge earleir in the season but he, Lillard and Batum are what Portland are building around. The only way Ferry trades Horford is if he can get Dwight Howard for him. Otherwise he's untouchable. Lopez will only be traded for Howard. Otherwise Brooklyn is keeping him. The basic premise of your original post is wrong because most of these players are not realistic trade targets for the Spurs.
Last edited by Mark in Austin; 02-25-2013 at 07:28 PM.
LaMarcus Albridge... Al Horford ... Brook Lopez...Nikola Vucevic...Jonas Valanciunas. This bigs are very tradeable
these scrubs are close to max players in todays ty nba
Now you're changing the subject, and it was your subject.
The premise of your OP has collapsed.
Let's move along.
Man, you are funny!!!!!!!
Duncan is having a better season than all these guys???? WOW!!!
By having a better season do you mean, in his days off?? while the rest of the team plays??
Or do you mean his having a better season than Lopez?? LOL
Or having being more affictive in the paint than Albridge or Holford?? WOW
And yes, the combination of Duncan+ Splitter + Leonard has been deadly this year. But thats in the regular season, and under Pops coaching, which is the best in the game.
It took Pop some time to figure Tiago out, but he got it, and his making it work. Tiago would not have the numbers his getting under Pop, if he was under a different system.
I can only imaging Albridge, Holford, or Nikola under Pop....
We are not getting no rings, without a dominant big, somebody that can get rebounds, and control the paint. Tim is still great, but he cant bang in the paint no more, and we need that...
So you didn't see Lebron operating out of the post in the Finals? I think dominant big can be replaced by good low post scoring and low post defense. You need to be able to get easy baskets while preventing the other team from doing the same thing.
Nobody is changing the subject, and you still having answer the first question of this thread. I give you a list of players, that you ask for, so you can answer the question, and you didnt.
That's my point exactly. A quality big or a player of similar low post scoring ability is necessary to win a championship, simply.
LeBron was an anomaly in that he can do everything a dominant big can do, even though he is comparatively undersized.
Isiah Thomas, 89-90 Pistons
You gave a list of players that didn't meet the standard you set yourself. You said that the Spurs needed to trade for a dominant big in order to have a chance for another ring. You said that Duncan no longer was such a player. Then you gave a list of non-dominant bigs. So trading for any for them would leave them in the same the predicament you said that they're in right now.
Do you see the light?
The big!
Do you see the light?
The big!
Do you see the light?
What light?
Have you seen the light?
Yes! Yes! Tim Big Fundamentals Duncan...I have seen the light!
So, then I will agree to disagree, you out look of a dominant big is very high. The list of player that you might have are problably out of reach for anybody to trade for. This list of players are not in that in that level as now, only because they dont play for somebody that can show case their strenghts (aka POP). I believe that Coach Pop can take most players to give their best, and to include their strenghts in the system, therefore taking them to another level of your dominant scale.
Not sure if it's been covered in the 3 pages of babble, but didn't the spurs win it in 07 w/tp as the mvp of the finals? Why can't they do it again? What am I missing here?
& how do they trade, when the deadline is over??
Youre right about 07, but Tim was the one that got the team to the Finals, not only that, but the east was so weak that one year, that anybody that won the west was winning the whole thing, now, back then TP didnt have a jump shot, he did it with his quickness.
To answer your question; What am I missing here?? Well, Tim is not the same, our defense is not the same and opponent is problably going to be the Heat, which is a way better team than the 07 Cavs, I believe thats what your missing.
And yes, the trade line is over, we can all always hope for next year.
Jackie Butler, Francisco Elson, and to a lesser extent, Rasho Nesterovic say Hi and we tried to play for Pop but weren't able to use our strengths so we inevitably got traded.
Horford is undersized. Aldridge is injury prone. Vucevic and Valenciunas are too raw. Lopez would too much. None of the players listed will give the team a better chance to win NOW.
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