AQ F'ed Up Last Week

[Nbadan]

We can't declare war on Saudi Arabia..it would destroy our economy and send the entire world into a catyclysmic recession...Not to mention that we would be at war with every muslim in the world if we did so...Not just because we attacked the mother of Islam, but because historically the Saudi's have been one of the most peaceful and stable Arab countries in that region with regards to their neighbors, including Israel.

Look, I'm not crazy enough to believe that we should invade Saudi Arabia, but slowly nudging them toward a democracy wouldn't be a bad thing either. The Feudal game has run its course in the ME, its time for real the real hand of liberty, and freedom - Democracy, to reform the ME, but in order to have a true Democracy, a country must first legitimacy. This is precisely why I think we need to start withdrawing from Iraq. At some point its going to be sink or swim for the new Iraqi Government. The Shiite and Kurd mullahs and leaders have the power to end this insurgency immediately, but with U.S. troops still in there, in some cases protecting the very former Baathists who later turn against them, there is little reason for them to do so. Until we end the insurgency, it makes little sense to keep dumping billions of tax dollars into vulnerable reconstruction projects in Iraq.

[whottt]

Saudi will have to be nudged...but they are a long way from being nudged to Democracy...we'll have to nudge them to the point of where it's a crime to murder a woman first(and a few other mideastern countries need this nudging as well)...

Look, militarily none of these Arab countries are ever going to be able to beat us...these guys are the worst tactical fighters in the history of the World...that's why they rely so much on brutality and fear...I mean they never damage military installations...just civillians...that's supposed to stop a government bent on defeating them?

We can't leave Iraq now...doing that will alienate all the muslims who do support us there and everywhere and we will never be trusted in that part of the world...we will be viewed as cowards...they might like us more but they will respect and trust us less. And there is a big difference between the way the Shias and Sunis view America...

Not only that but the fledgling government will either get stomped by the Sunis or swallowed up by Iran...and we'll have a situation worse than Afghanistan was.

We can't just bomb them into the stone age and then walk out on them. That's beyond cruel and it's not in our best inerests...since cruelty and indifference in the middle east is a major cause of the war we now fight against terrorism.

It's best to just wait until they ask us to leave, their pride will dictate that they begin to fight their own battles without US aid. But they gotta learn to walk first...And despite newfound friendliness with Iran...their leader will never want to be subservient to Iran. It'll work out alright eventually...the Iraquis know they have an opportunity to be the showplace of the middle east and I think they have every intention of suceeding in this endeavor. Arabs have a lot of pride...or at least they try to.

[Shelly]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/eu.../london.blair/

Blair shocked 'bombers' were British
PM outlines four-point plan to combat terror attacks

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Prime Minister Tony Blair has expressed his shock that the four men believed to have carried out last week's deadly terrorist attacks on London's transit system were British nationals.

But speaking to parliament on Wednesday, Blair also urged Britons to react calmly to the bombings that killed at least 52 people, and he condemned attacks against Muslims.

"Particularly with the shock of knowing that those that have perpetrated this were actually born and brought up in this country, I think it is particularly important we recognize the worldwide dimension of this," Blair said.

"I would ask for the same measured and calm response from the country that has characterized it since last Thursday," Blair told the House of Commons.

"This is a small group of extremists. Not one who can be ignored, but neither should it define Muslims in Britain who are overwhelmingly law-abiding, decent members of our society," he said Wednesday.

Blair told parliament the country had been united in the face of the bombings and that he wanted to "condemn utterly" race attacks that had come in their wake.

He told the Commons the government had a four-point plan, in which it would:

* Begin the process of consultation on planned counter-terrorism legislation within the next couple of weeks, with a priority being measures to combat the incitement and instigation of terrorism.

* Look urgently at how to strengthen the process for excluding from the UK those who incite hatred, and make it easier to deport such people.

* Start discussions immediately with Muslim leaders on combating "the perverted and poisonous misinterpretation of Islam" which lay behind the attacks.

* Talk to other nations on how to mobilize the "moderate and true voice of Islam."

Blair also said he wanted to send "a word of congratulations to our police and security services for the magnificent work that they have done."

Britain's interior minister, Home Secretary Charles Clarke, meanwhile warned of further attacks despite police tracing three likely suspects in the bombings to Leeds, northern England.

"We have to assume there are others who are ready to do the kinds of things that these people did last Thursday," Clarke told the BBC. Clarke is in Brussels for an emergency anti-terrorist meeting of European Union ministers. (Full story)

Metropolitan Police were back in Leeds, 320 kilometers (200 miles) north of London in West Yorkshire, for a second day searching six sites, three of them the home addresses of three of the men. (Full story)

On Tuesday, police arrested one man and conducted a controlled explosion to gain entry to one of the homes after questionable material was found. About 60 km north of London, police used another controlled explosion on a car left at a train station in Luton.

Police confirmed to CNN that one of the suspects was Shahzad Tanweer, 22, of Leeds.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, head of Scotland Yard's anti-terror branch, said Tuesday that the family of one of the men reported him missing several hours after Thursday's blasts, leading investigators to the four men, three of whom were from West Yorkshire.

All four had arrived in London by train on the morning of the bombings and were seen on closed-circuit television just before 8:30 a.m. at King's Cross station, he said.

Clarke said personal do ents bearing the names of three of the men were found near the train seats where three of the bombs exploded, and that police have "very strong forensic and other evidence" suggesting that one of the Leeds men died on the explosion between the Aldgate and Liverpool stations.

[MannyIsGod]

What world is this man living in to be "shocked" because they were citizens of any particular country? How long before they realize what type of conflict this is?

[scott]

And by the way, Al Queda did not claim respsonsibility for the bombings, "The Secret Society of Al'Qaeda Jihad in Europe" did.

[Hook Dem]

And by the way, Al Queda did not claim respsonsibility for the bombings, "The Secret Society of Al'Qaeda Jihad in Europe" did.

A point everyone seems to be overlooking Scott!