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They who?
If you're gonna google for your posts at least have the decency to copy and paste enough to make the thought semi-intelligible.
I understand what your points were in response to, but I debate their validity, and you seemed to support them with non-sequitous analysis.The points were offered to Cant Be Faded in response to his quest for things the Leftwingers have done (support) that have damaged our Country.
I look forward to a future discussion.
They who?
If you're gonna google for your posts at least have the decency to copy and paste enough to make the thought semi-intelligible.
and now i know youre a lower teir conservative in terms of INTELLIGENCE because all three of your reasons were exactly what i did NOT ask for
Eh, you've been FOXED again into thinking that just because Fitzgerald may not be able to piece the leak investigation together without the testimony of Judith Miller, that Fitzgerald can't prove that Rove broke a crime. Rove testified that he first heard of the Plame leak from Robert Novak and it was Novak who told him that he was getting ready to write that 'Plame was a CIA operative...". This is not the first time Mr. Rove has been linked to a leak reported by Mr. Novak. In 1992, Mr. Rove was fired from the Texas campaign to re-elect the first President Bush because of su ions that he had leaked information to Mr. Novak about shortfalls in the Texas organization's fund-raising.All the Democrats who are braying for Karl Rove's head can't be very confident that he's committed a crime. If they were, they would wait for an indictment, which would be a genuine embarrassment to the administration.
But, alas, that won't happen. Foiled again, Dumbocrats!
Michael Cooper was prepared to go to jail for the information he had regarding Rove's role in the investigation, but then Rove's big-mouthed lawyer showed up on TV and made it well-known that Rove had released Miller and Cooper from confidentiality agreements. Cooper saw his chance, and Newsweek immediately released his notes which were very damaging to Rove's story.
Super-duper secret background? Are you kidding me? Either Cooper and Rove were talking about Plame or the WH turned to Animal House...Cooper began. "Spoke to Rove on double super secret background for about two mins before he went on vacation ..." Cooper proceeded to spell out some guidance on a story that was beginning to roil Washington. He finished, "please don't source this to rove or even WH [White House]" and suggested another reporter check with the CIA.
Double Dutch Super Secret SUSPENSION
Josh Marshall of The Hill helps to put the rest of the pieces together.
How can Novak write that he sourced reports of Plame's Identy from 'two senior administration officials' and senior administration officials say they heard about Plame's iden y from the media, namely Robert Novak?Strip away all the stress and fury on both sides of the aisle this week and you’ll find one key question at the heart of both the legal and political storm surrounding the president’s top political adviser.
That is, did Karl Rove and other top administration officials, for whatever reason, knowingly reveal the iden y of a covert CIA agent or were they unaware of her covert status? As prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald would no doubt tell us if he were at liberty to speak, divining, let alone proving, knowledge and intent in such a case is a very tricky business. But there’s a good bit of cir stantial evidence pointing to the conclusion that Rove and others knew exactly what they were doing.
Allow me to explain.
The best evidence for the “they knew” version of events has always been the column that started it all — Robert Novak’s July 14 column in which he named Valerie Plame as “an agency operative on weapons of mass destruction.”
In intelligence jargon, “operative” has a very specific meaning. It means a covert or clandestine officer. Novak’s been a journalist for 50 years. So clearly he used that term because he knew Plame was covert. And if he knew, the logical assumption is that he knew because his sources — “two senior administration officials” — told him.
So Rove talked to, and may have indirectly revealed Plame's super-duper secret iden y to Robert Novak, Matthew Cooper and most likely Judith Miller just days before Novak wrote his article revealing Wilson's wifes ID, but that's not exactly what Rove told the FBI in 2003
Daily Kos(Rove said) he had only circulated information about Plame after it had appeared in Novak's column. He also told the FBI, the same sources said, that circulating the information was a legitimate means to counter what he claimed was politically motivated criticism of the Bush administration by Plame's husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.
That would be "tier".
As stated in an earlier post to you, they decide what you listen to. What you don't want is the truth.
Rove is the master of plausible deniability.
This morning I heard, on FoxNews of course, that it was Robert Novak who told Rove about Plame's link to the CIA.
He is clear.
this is what pisses me off the most... ANYONE and EVERYONE who leaks information should be arrested..
Rove Learned CIA Agent's Name From Novak
By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago
WASHINGTON - Chief presidential adviser Karl Rove testified to a grand jury that he talked with two journalists before they divulged the iden y of an undercover
CIA officer but that he originally learned about the operative from the news media and not government sources, according to a person briefed on the testimony.
The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh
Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.
Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's iden y was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story.
The conversation eventually turned to Plame's husband, Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador who was strongly criticizing the Bush administration's use of faulty intelligence to justify the war in Iraq, the person said.
Rove testified that Novak told him he planned to report in a weekend column that Plame had worked for the CIA, and the cir stances on how her husband traveled to Africa to check bogus claims that Iraq was trying to buy nuclear materials in Niger, according to the source.
Novak's column, citing two Bush administration officials, appeared six days later, touching off a political firestorm and leading to a federal criminal investigation into who leaked Plame's undercover iden y. That probe has ensnared presidential aides and reporters in a two-year legal battle.
Rove told the grand jury that by the time Novak had called him, he believes he had similar information about Wilson's wife from another member of the news media but he could not recall which reporter had told him about it first, the person said.
When Novak inquired about Wilson's wife working for the CIA, Rove indicated he had heard something like that, according to the source's recounting of the grand jury testimony.
Rove told the grand jury that three days later, he had a phone conversation with Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper and — in an effort to discredit some of Wilson's allegations — informally told Cooper that he believed Wilson's wife worked for the CIA, though he never used her name, the source said.
An e-mail Cooper recently provided the grand jury shows Cooper reported to his magazine bosses that Rove had described Wilson's wife in a confidential conversation as someone who "apparently works" at the CIA.
Robert Luskin, Rove's attorney, said Thursday his client truthfully testified to the grand jury and expected to be exonerated.
"Karl provided all pertinent information to prosecutors a long time ago," Luskin said. "And prosecutors confirmed when he testified most recently in October 2004 that he is not a target of the investigation."
In an interview on CNN earlier Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House."
But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her iden y," he said.
Federal law prohibits government officials from divulging the iden y of an undercover intelligence officer. But in order to bring charges, prosecutors must prove the official knew the officer was covert and nonetheless knowingly outed his or her iden y.
Rove's conversations with Novak and Cooper took place just days after Wilson suggested in a New York Times opinion piece that some of the intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat.
Democrats continued this week to sharpen their attacks, accusing Rove of compromising a CIA operative's iden y just to discredit the political criticism of her husband.
On Thursday, Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada pressed for legislation to strip Rove of his clearance for classified information, which he said
President Bush should have done already. Instead, Reid said, the Bush administration has attacked its critics: "This is what is known as a cover-up. This is an abuse of power."
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said Democrats were resorting to "partisan war chants."
Across the Capitol, Rep. Rush Holt (news, bio, voting record), D-N.J., introduced legislation for an investigation that would compel senior administration officials to turn over records relating to the Plame disclosure.
Pressed to explain its statements of two years ago that Rove wasn't involved in the leak, the White House refused to do so this week.
"If I were to get into discussing this, I would be getting into discussing an investigation that continues and could be prejudging the outcome of the investigation," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
For some reason, it would bring a bigger smile to my face to see Robert " bag" Novak go to jail than Rove...but that's just me.
The phrase "Kill two birds with one stone" comes to mind.
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