OT: Shaq Is The Most Overrated Player In The History Of Sports...

[ambchang]

[QUOTE=Killakobe81;7526321]Because your hate blinds you. Read the OP post or the le of this thread. It is SHAQ that is the subject not Kobe. I do not agree with the OP and said so in my first reply. I just said Shaq is overrated which he is ,,,by some. DO Kobe fans underrate him? Sure, they do. But I stand by my posts. Why would I argue Kobe over Shaq here ... when that was not the topic at hand? And why waste my time when you are obviously pre-disposed to your position? In the time we have had discourse on here what indication have you given that you would even consider my POV? SO why should I bother? for validation from the Laker/Kobe crew? To get internet cred? To have Cry (no offense Havoc) suck me off? I chose to speak on the Shaq is overrated premise have no interest in making the Kobe>Shaq case, here. Just arguing it's debatable which is pretty obvious because you keep doing it.[/quote

A) you'd have to be a total idiot not to know OPs intention
B) you brought Kobe up before I did in this thread
C) you assessed Kobe's game before I did in this thread
D) you compared shaq to Kobe before I did in this thread

LOL you topped your Paxson analogy with an even more outrageous one ... congratulations! Am i suppose to take that seriously and do you real think your wall of words are gonna convince anyone? All you get is a response from Kool and handjobs from those that already agree with you. Props.

The paxson analogy is to directly address your assertion that comparing players in absolutes is invalid. I showed that it was because well, it was. And I reiterate, is Jordan > paxson at the same level of shaq > Kobe? No. But it's just as valid.

Finally, you still didn't come up with one argument of Kobe > shaq as a player when you said any reasonable people can do so. I didn't say it. You did.

[Killakobe81]

Wouldnt go that far. But he is overrated on here and not just by Kobe haters. Before "5" even some Spur fans rated Shaq over Tim. O'neal's prime is 2nd to none, but was far too short because he let himself get fat and he definitely under-achieved. He had the tools to be GOAT big and GOAT over MJ ...

Reading is fundamental.
1. Agree OP had ulterior motives, that is fine address him not me.
2. I started on here with (AGAIN was the topic) that SHAQ is OVERRATED and I said NOT just by Kobe haters. Meaning that I do believe there are SOME that OVERRATE HIM and it has notthing to do with Kobe hate. That was MY only original mention of Kobe but since you have a secret love for the man you decided to run with that.
3. I even followed up with someone arguing Shaq is overrated is no different than me as a Laker fan first and a Kobe fan secondary I can criticize Kobe's shot selection and sometimesy defense just as easily as I can say that Shaq is overrated. How is that attacking his legacy? And why do I need to be a protector of his legacy like you insecure fans that overrate Robinson or Duncan. Shaq is great, Kobe is great, Duncan is greaT Robinson is great. ALL are over/under rated by posters on here. IF i say Kobe is overrated because Magic is the GOAT Laker does that mean I am attacking his legacy? Are you saying there are no SPur fans that attack Tony to prop Manu and vice-versa. Or knock Robinson to prop Tim? (tim won with less help than ...). All AVERAGE fans do that ... I am far from common.
4. Again why should I make a case for Kobe over Shaq. I already have stated that opinion before. It is not the original subject matter and again until you can discuss it without all the emotional off the court bull and nebulous like "leadership" out of your posts I regard the exercise as futile. Again I dont care if Tim is gay Kobe is gay or if they are ty team-mates. MJ was a ty team-mate and father and not the best leader. I may prefer Magic over him but that doesnt make him the GOAT (though I love kiddk and his ratings stat )
5. Shaq is a all-time great player. I think as bigs go behind ...Kareem & duncan but on par with HAkeem (though I can see it argued either way) with an edge over Moses, Ewing, Robinson etc.
6. Last my only issue is you saying that it cannot be argued (Kobe>Shaq) even though of COURSE it can. You say rings are a team accomplishment but yet pull out that "alpha" bull and overrate Pau as wel. Whatever. wont waste my time making that case if you feel that is some type of victory, enjoy it. Continuing on that path is a loss for me arguing something I dont even really care that much about. Shaq is a great player. Besides there are bbigger Kobe fans than I am that would love to debate that. You know me I dont argue this point because all though it's close for me it's already decided. To me duncan vs. Kobe is far more interesting but we have that "dance" scheduled for later. I freely admit right now you have the upper hand and my case is getting weaker. But that is a story for another day.
7. Using dumb analogies accomplishes nothing. Do you realize how silly it is to compare Jordan and Paxson to Shaq/Kobe? and to defend it by basically saying Oh well it is dumb but not THAT dumb. ...I am proving a point" ...No it's just dumb. And I expect better from you.
8. The OP is ridiculous. No way he is the most overrated I would not even say he is greatly overrated I would say some just overrate him slightly.
* For the record Shaq has been swept out of the playoffs 6 times Twice in the 1st round (1 in Orlando and 1 in MIA) Along with 4 times with Lakers (IIRC)

[Horse]

At LSU... he didn't win and was second fiddle to Chris Jackson.
In Orlando he didn't win and was second fiddle to Penny... the run out of town.
In LA he won, but was second fiddle to Kobe, then run out of town.
In Miami, he won, but was second fiddle to Wade, then run out of town.
In Phoenix, he couldn't even make the playoffs and was second fiddle to Nash, then run out of town.
In Cleveland, he couldn't win and was second fiddle to James, then run out of town.
In Boston... he died... then run out of town.

To show you how much we appreciated his services for his tenure here in LA we retired his jersey up to the rafters... BACKWARDS.

You usually have your head up your ass but your dead on with this. He got away with murder, didn't play D, underwhelming rebounder for his size and unreliable in the clutch cause of ft shooting.

[Horse]

As someone who witnessed Robinson's entire career, watching every game he played... I'd have to disagree that Robinson was "too afraid of gettign dunked on to really play Shaq tough."
Before the back injury, Robinson gave Shaq more trouble than any other center in the 90's. DRob was 5-2 vs Shaq from 93-96.
During those 7 meetings:
Robinson: 29.4 PPG, 12.1 rebs, 2.7blks
Shaq: 25.2PPG, 13.2 rebs, 1.7blks

I'd say DRob held his own against a young Orlando Shaq. After the back injury (during Shaq's Lakers days) the stats definitely skewed Shaq's way, but DRob still did a better job of defending Shaq than Duncan could (or 90% of centers in the league could from 1999-2002). Duncan was too skinny to adequately defend Shaq, so the Spurs were forced to let Malik Rose (he of the infamous "pull the chair" move) try to defend Shaq when DRob was out of the game.

If your argument is that Shaq's prime was 1999-2002, then yes, Shaq crapped on him and EVERYONE in the league. Dave still did an adequate job against him, considering his loss of athleticism due to the injuries. I hated Shaq back in those days, because the no one could stop him. I always complained about his bulldozing his way to the basket, but I can't blame the guy for doing it as long as the league let him get away with it. He took a lot more punishment than he ever dished out though, with guys physically assaulting him to stop him from getting "And-1's."

When healthy Drob didn't just hold his own, he owned shaq. I remember Drob going for 30-something and beating the magic on shaq's b-day. Let's also not forget who won their last meeting ending the 3-peat.