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  1. #51
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    No this thread is about Kobe's comments. Any contract signed reduces cap space. We are talking about the team that let go Gasol and Howard, signed Mike D'antoni to coach after giving up on Brown before he even started, and traded several drafts to pay a guy $9m and takes a week to respond to the coach while he goes golfing.

    wgaf if Bryant and Howard don't get along. None of that has to do with Bryant's cap space.


    You're the one trying to make this about all those other things. I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

    My original point stands as posted. Kobe can take all the money he wants, he just can't say he's all about winning when he does.

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    Fuzzy getting his pushed in, seems to be a daily occurrence here..

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    my unders, my frgn whites pgardn's Avatar
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    It was a 20% cut based on 25-6-6. He's now putting up 25-5-5.

    Let us proceed...
    Proceed.

    With one of the most gawd awful teams in the NBA.

    Proceed.

    With watching a chucker continue to chuck and love every minute of it.
    How much wood would a...

    You guys suck.
    We will keep shooting stats right along with you, it's a joyous experience.
    Thread.

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    That certainly wasn't my point. My point was really quite obvious.
    Your 2 points were great, the third ons was too harsh for Al-Qoube

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    Kobe made $30 million last year. He could have taken the same this year but he gave the
    Lakers a "discount" down to $24 million. Kobe said his playing on the team makes his value to
    get that kind of money. TV Fans tune into watch the Lakers because of him and cable TV can afford
    to pay him for it.

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    You're the one trying to make this about all those other things. I'm not going down that rabbit hole with you.

    My original point stands as posted. Kobe can take all the money he wants, he just can't say he's all about winning when he does.
    The OP is what it is. I can say the same thing about your rabbit hole. Fact is that people like a dumbed down scapegoat. While I don't disagree that Bryant's contract is an issue, dumbing it down to only that does not help to understand the situation.

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    The OP is what it is. I can say the same thing about your rabbit hole. Fact is that people like a dumbed down scapegoat. While I don't disagree that Bryant's contract is an issue, dumbing it down to only that does not help to understand the situation.
    I didn't say that it was only that.

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    Fuzzy getting his pushed in, seems to be a daily occurrence here..
    About the only daily occurrence is you spouting the bandwagon fallacy as if it is meaningful. I get that you are butthurt about me and your response to it is cliche. The rest of my fan club does the exact same thing thus their induction.

    What you don't seem to get is that my writing style is designed to encourage your sentiment if not that type of response. Intelligent people actually try to argue on merit versus your childish assertions. It's good at pointing to those who cannot articulate intelligent arguments though nevertheless.

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    I didn't say that it was only that.
    Your handwaving at it and refusal to 'go down that rabbit hole' of any other thing certainly implies it.

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    Your handwaving at it and refusal to 'go down that rabbit hole' of any other thing certainly implies it.
    No.

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    Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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    LOL

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    Whatever helps you sleep at night.
    Well, I am making the assumption that you are being intellectually honest. So your refusal to 'go down that rabbit hole' is of a more personal nature versus you disagreeing with it even if you don't want to argue.

    People that refuse to admit even an obvious point of fact to me are hilarious.

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    Well, I am making the assumption that you are being intellectually honest. So your refusal to 'go down that rabbit hole' is of a more personal nature versus you disagreeing with it even if you don't want to argue.

    People that refuse to admit even an obvious point of fact to me are hilarious.
    Sleep well.

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    you too

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    Bottom line: kobe.


    Can we all agree to tha

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    Mel's comments are really the only ones you need to read to understand the situation.

    I said it last year when Kirby signed the extension. I had ZERO problem with him taking the money because he's right regarding the situation w/ the owners. I'll always be on the player's side 100% when it comes to labor agreements. Sadly, they don't have much of a chance going against billionaires that made their bones not giving a about other people tbh.

    What I have issue with is when Kobe-stan puts him up there with the likes of Tim/Dirk in regards to being all about winning. Kobe eats first, he always has. It's just hilarious to see him call his fans stupid over and over again and they just continue to eat it up

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    It tends up being a finite amount of dollars and the Lakers have more money than anyone. You just gave an example of someone who knew how to take advantage. Blaming Bryant's salary is fun but to ignore the mismanagement of the Buss family is what is untenable.
    Forget it.

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    Weird. I didn't know that throwing almost every single player AND coach under the buss who's played for you for the past 15 years counts as rooting for your team.

    Let's see, here:

    Shaq.
    Pau.
    Brown.
    MDA.
    Odom.
    Gasol.
    Dwight.
    and now, the Front Office that brought together two teams with 8 starting hall of famers between them, apparently is terrible.

    The only player to escape blame was perhaps Fisher, who bailed and went ring chasing, but I even heard plenty of "washed up has been" from Laker fans before he departed.

    Golly, that's a lot of excuses. Wonder if there's a common thread connecting them all?
    You forgot his cell phone tirade about Bynum.

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    I'm not gonna lie, he has a point to a degree. He's completely right about players almost being bullied into home town discounts, and when players take far less than their market value, the owners ultimately win. Is Kobe worth 24 M a year? No, and to keep his team compe ive he probably should have taken less than that. But Tim and Dirk set this ridiculous precedent of taking way less than their actual value, and now when a player doesn't do that, they are labeled as selfish and not wanting to win. Melo, for example, was correct in getting a Max contract because he values himself as a max player. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to win, it just means that he knows his worth and wants to be paid accordingly, for obvious reasons and to make a statement that he is a max player. A lot of what Kobe said in that was BS though, as clearly the Lakers are nowhere near being a contender, but still.
    Not at all the same situation, since Kobe has been a ty player post Achilles. Pre-tear he was worth every cent of that $30 million he was making, but now he's the definition of empty stats.

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    Proceed.

    With one of the most gawd awful teams in the NBA.

    Proceed.

    With watching a chucker continue to chuck and love every minute of it.
    How much wood would a...

    You guys suck.
    We will keep shooting stats right along with you, it's a joyous experience.
    Thread.
    I look forward to the challenge with equal amounts of both anticipation & determination.

    Let us proceed...

  23. #73
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    Pre-tear he was worth every cent of that $30 million he was making
    I'll just bet he was.

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    I'll just bet he was.
    A top 5 player is always worth $30 million in the NBA.

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    A top 5 player is always worth $30 million in the NBA.
    That is what people don't seem to understand regarding the max and the nature of price ceilings.

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