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    https://twitter.com/billoram/status/535867995680034816

    https://twitter.com/billoram/status/535868043264397312



    I mean, what is there to say at this time? You just have to point and laugh at Kobe, who is so far removed from reality it's amazing he can tie his shoes let alone play ball at any level.

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    Doesn't matter what everybody else thinks, tbh, he makes these comments to sell it to the Lakers/his fanbase..if they buy it, which a lot of them seem to do, then that's all that matters, mission accomplished for Kobe..

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    Doesn't matter what everybody else thinks, tbh, he makes these comments to sell it to the Lakers/his fanbase..if they buy it, which a lot of them seem to do, then that's all that matters, mission accomplished for Kobe..
    it's true that they would believe him anyway, but a smart guy will say smart things regardless of what people would believe.

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    Bull -to-English translation: "I took a discount... enough of a discount to still make me the highest-paid player in the league while allowing me to spin it as a sacrifice."

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    Doesn't matter what everybody else thinks, tbh, he makes these comments to sell it to the Lakers/his fanbase..if they buy it, which a lot of them seem to do, then that's all that matters, mission accomplished for Kobe..
    It DOES have damaging implications though. Other players look around the league and see this dude getting paid large even though he saw the construction of Stonehenge in their eyes, and then he talks about the sacrifice he's making, how many dudes do you see singing up for that load of BS in the off-season?

    NBA players don't live in the media bubble where everything gets spun until it sounds okay. You KNOW there are dudes in locker rooms all over the NBA who are going to read this and talk to each other about what a head Kobe is. In retrospect they might like the fact that he's pushing for higher player salaries but none of that involves them coming to the Lakers to get paid. In the meantime, what guys say in the locker room is going to have a much larger impact on other players than anything the media thinks.

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    Kirby is so unselfish

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    I'm not gonna lie, he has a point to a degree. He's completely right about players almost being bullied into home town discounts, and when players take far less than their market value, the owners ultimately win. Is Kobe worth 24 M a year? No, and to keep his team compe ive he probably should have taken less than that. But Tim and Dirk set this ridiculous precedent of taking way less than their actual value, and now when a player doesn't do that, they are labeled as selfish and not wanting to win. Melo, for example, was correct in getting a Max contract because he values himself as a max player. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to win, it just means that he knows his worth and wants to be paid accordingly, for obvious reasons and to make a statement that he is a max player. A lot of what Kobe said in that was BS though, as clearly the Lakers are nowhere near being a contender, but still.

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    "Values himself as a max player". If you value yourself as a max player, it's not about putting up good stats on a losing team. What has Melo ever done to make himself a max player? If you take that money, then you have absolutely zero right to complain about anything. It's fine if a player takes the money and plays hard and loses, just don't whine and deny reality of what your contract means.

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    The only question is how many times he can call his fans stupid, tbh...

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    I'm not gonna lie, he has a point to a degree. He's completely right about players almost being bullied into home town discounts, and when players take far less than their market value, the owners ultimately win. Is Kobe worth 24 M a year? No, and to keep his team compe ive he probably should have taken less than that. But Tim and Dirk set this ridiculous precedent of taking way less than their actual value, and now when a player doesn't do that, they are labeled as selfish and not wanting to win. Melo, for example, was correct in getting a Max contract because he values himself as a max player. That doesn't mean he doesn't want to win, it just means that he knows his worth and wants to be paid accordingly, for obvious reasons and to make a statement that he is a max player. A lot of what Kobe said in that was BS though, as clearly the Lakers are nowhere near being a contender, but still.
    duncan and dirk are old players, what kirby says makes no sense and young players are getting max contracts more than ever.

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    a player that takes the max and can't get to the playoffs simply means that he is not a max type of player, it's really as simple as that.

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    Bull -to-English translation: "I took a discount... enough of a discount to still make me the highest-paid player in the league while allowing me to spin it as a sacrifice."

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    Bottom line you idiots fail to understand is that the finances are controlled by the owners and or board of directors. Profit and loss statements are determined in the budget process which includes overhead, salaries for non-union staff etc and ultimately CBA player salaries. Agents and players get involved to offer the "value" of said player in each market and return on investment they'll get both on the court and off. Should he have taken less? Sure why not, how about you go and ask your employer to pay you less so they can get a better receptionist or to bolster up the call centres with more staff to increase customer service and ultimately offer a better experience. Boiled down the $ that Kobe or anyone else is making has so many variables that the lament (95% of spurstalk posters) fail to understand the economics of the sport. This is all on the owners and their managerial courage to say NO to players like Kobe when in the negotiation process. Regardless, the owners know their P&L way better than the union and said players as to what investment they'll get in return. It's all math really. Wins don't always translate to what the players are getting paid or how altruistic they are in the process. This has nothing to do with Kobe and everything to do with management and the overall leadership. As a Laker fan this is what troubles me the most, not Kobe's ty FG%. If Kobe would have took 10 m less, do you think he'd be a better on court player? Hard to say, maybe with better teammates he would have been. However, from an economic stand point would this even dent the margin % of the Lakers? Debatable.

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    Kirby stans still trying to spin this contract into an NBA labor issue.

    The reality is, it's a salary cap league, and your glorified role player messiah is eating up too much of the cap space to build a playoff team around him. Period. If you're looking for someone to blame, blame Kirby for making it clear over a year in advance that he was not going to take a significant paycut.

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    Bottom line you idiots fail to understand is that the finances are controlled by the owners and or board of directors. Profit and loss statements are determined in the budget process which includes overhead, salaries for non-union staff etc and ultimately CBA player salaries. Agents and players get involved to offer the "value" of said player in each market and return on investment they'll get both on the court and off. Should he have taken less? Sure why not, how about you go and ask your employer to pay you less so they can get a better receptionist or to bolster up the call centres with more staff to increase customer service and ultimately offer a better experience. Boiled down the $ that Kobe or anyone else is making has so many variables that the lament (95% of spurstalk posters) fail to understand the economics of the sport. This is all on the owners and their managerial courage to say NO to players like Kobe when in the negotiation process. Regardless, the owners know their P&L way better than the union and said players as to what investment they'll get in return. It's all math really. Wins don't always translate to what the players are getting paid or how altruistic they are in the process. This has nothing to do with Kobe and everything to do with management and the overall leadership. As a Laker fan this is what troubles me the most, not Kobe's ty FG%. If Kobe would have took 10 m less, do you think he'd be a better on court player? Hard to say, maybe with better teammates he would have been. However, from an economic stand point would this even dent the margin % of the Lakers? Debatable.
    Pretty sure everyone here knows the owners make the money. That's a bunch of crap tbh All that about different markets and better teammates is what Kobe told you to believe.

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    Bottom line you idiots fail to understand is that the finances are controlled by the owners and or board of directors. Profit and loss statements are determined in the budget process which includes overhead, salaries for non-union staff etc and ultimately CBA player salaries. Agents and players get involved to offer the "value" of said player in each market and return on investment they'll get both on the court and off. Should he have taken less? Sure why not, how about you go and ask your employer to pay you less so they can get a better receptionist or to bolster up the call centres with more staff to increase customer service and ultimately offer a better experience. Boiled down the $ that Kobe or anyone else is making has so many variables that the lament (95% of spurstalk posters) fail to understand the economics of the sport. This is all on the owners and their managerial courage to say NO to players like Kobe when in the negotiation process. Regardless, the owners know their P&L way better than the union and said players as to what investment they'll get in return. It's all math really. Wins don't always translate to what the players are getting paid or how altruistic they are in the process. This has nothing to do with Kobe and everything to do with management and the overall leadership. As a Laker fan this is what troubles me the most, not Kobe's ty FG%. If Kobe would have took 10 m less, do you think he'd be a better on court player? Hard to say, maybe with better teammates he would have been. However, from an economic stand point would this even dent the margin % of the Lakers? Debatable.
    The spur fan base here has turned into a bunch of Kool aid man/thread-esque type of posters. They don't care to look into numbers and logistics because they hate the lakers/kobe so much which is understandable.

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    It was a 20% cut based on 25-6-6. He's now putting up 25-5-5.

    Let us proceed...

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    It was a 20% cut based on 25-6-6. He's now putting up 25-5-5.

    Let us proceed...
    Again, he cut just enough to lodge the "sacrifice" card, but not enough to no longer be the highest-paid player in the league. It's chicken & piss-pot.

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    Again, he cut just enough to lodge the "sacrifice" card, but not enough to no longer be the highest-paid player in the league. It's chicken & piss-pot.
    Who's the signature on Kobe's paycheck youngblood?

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    Look, everyone has known this for the past 15+ years: There are Laker fans and there are Kobe fans. There are no in the middle. It's laughable to watch this guy lie to Kobe fan' faces and even with smart people calling it out for you, you still can't stop believing.

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    Laker fans are beyond delusional. It's Stockholm Syndrome at this point.

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    Laker fans are beyond delusional. It's Stockholm Syndrome at this point.
    What are we delusional about? The fact that we support our team? All of those years of the Spurs sucking , why were there fans? What would be the point? Do you even know what SS is and how the metaphor is applied?

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    1. Kobe had every right to get every last penny from the Lakers. (He's probably worth more than 24M to their bottom line.)

    2. He also has every right to say that his job is to play basketball and that the FO's job is to build a compe ive roster.

    3. He just can't say that winning is the most important thing to him. Clearly his personal finances are more important to him than winning.

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    1. Kobe had every right to get every last penny from the Lakers. (He's probably worth more than 24M to their bottom line.)

    2. He also has every right to say that his job is to play basketball and that the FO's job is to build a compe ive roster.

    3. He just can't say that winning is the most important thing to him. Clearly his personal finances are more important to him than winning.
    Then every player should play for 100k. What's your point?

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