Bulls: MJ Not only punched Kerr but also ...

[RsxPiimp]

Anyway, here's Purdue's side of the story



"Well there was a lot of truth to what Horace said, but what was going on was that a couple things were happening.

First of all, the second unit was kicking the first unit's butt and Michael wasn't too happy about it. And we used to do it actually quite often in practice.

Secondly, we were the scout team running some plays of the team we were going to play the next night and Johnny Bach was the defensive coach. And what we used to do was run about five high frequency plays of our opponent. Well one of them was they were going to continue to run the screen-roll to see if Michael was going to continue to try to work his way over the screen over four quarters, because they knew the guy coming off the screen was the shooter. Michael didn't want to go under, neither did Phil (Jackson) or Johnny Bach want Michael to go under. So (the opponent is) going to want to lay some wood on (Jordan), is the terminology, try to knock him off a screen and see, will you continue to do this for four quarters?

So we kept running this play and sometimes my screens were illegal, sometimes they were not. But my job was to make sure I hit him. Well one time he said, 'If you do that again I'm going to make you pay for it.' Well Johnny Bach just stood there and said, 'Run it again.'

So we ran it again, and this time i figured if I'm going to get my money's worth...I nailed him, knocked him to the ground, kind of stood over him a little bit. He stood up, popped me and before I could get him they got us and that was the end of it. He apologized later, but he got me pretty good."
There you have it.


Purdue kinda asked for it tbh

[ambchang]

I seriously doubt it. I also know him and Oakley were good friends so he would not try it with him either but if they were not no way he pulls that crap.

Nobody tried anything with Oakley. Oakley slapped Barkley in front of everyone, and Barkley didn't have the guts to go after him. He did that to Tyrone Hill as well over a bet.

Oakley was a crazy dude, and no one in the history of the league could have possibly taken him out (five bouncers with handcuffs). I would pay to watch an Oakley Willis Reed brawl.

BTW, Jordan befriended Oakley because when they were both Bulls, Jordan saw him as his personal body guard.

Then when Oakley was with the Knicks, Jordan saw the Knicks as his primary roadblock, and befriending Oakley would help in not being hit too hard when he drove to the rim.

[ohmwrecker]

Old news. Denigrating the GOAT to prop up Achilles Rotatorcuff.

[cantthinkofanything]

Umm...no.

Did Jordan ever throw a teammate under the bus to police? Did Jordan claim crappy teammates cost him additional MVPs? Did Kobe have friendships with superstars on other teams the way Jordan was friends with Magic, Barkley etc?

Jordan was ultra-compe ive. Kobe is a .

You forgot the raping.

[da_suns_fan]

Magic tells a great story of playing poker at 2 in the morning with Jordan in Barcelona (they made an animated version).

How many players have great "Kobe stories"?

[da_suns_fan]

lol MJ didnt give a about Barkley

Are you saying they werent frends (and probably still would be if Barkley didnt criticize Jordan as owner).

These are two guys who vacationed together, did commercials together, did Oprah interviews together etc. Pretty sure they liked each other.

[RsxPiimp]

Magic tells a great story of playing poker at 2 in the morning with Jordan in Barcelona (they made an animated version).

How many players have great "Kobe stories"?

That was for camera tbh, especially from Magic. Do you also believe every bits and pieces from Jordan's come fly with me video?

[da_suns_fan]

That was for camera tbh, especially from Magic. Do you also believe every bits and pieces from Jordan's come fly with me video?

So youre suggesting it didnt happen? Jordan didnt play poker with his Barcelona teammates to the wee hours of the morning?

[ohmwrecker]

I guarantee you those mother ers were playing cards.

[da_suns_fan]

There was an interview MJ did with Oprah in 96 in which she played a secret clip of Jordan and some of his bulls teammates dancing in some cheap little music video that they made. All of them were wearing goofy 80s shades. Jordan laughed and laughed at himself.

Kobe takes himself WAY too seriously to do something like that. As Smush said, Kobe wouldnt even TALK to him when he tried to bring up football etc.

Theyre different people with different personalities. Just because Jordan lost his temper from time to time doesnt mean he was a the way Kobe is a .

[da_suns_fan]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/...haquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

[Killakobe81]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/...haquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

Not related to OP, but thanks. We already Know Kobe is a asshole. Why does Kobe need to be brought in to every MJ related thread? He is not as good as MJ but copied MJ ... we get it. Again thanks.

[Killakobe81]

Old news. Denigrating the GOAT to prop up Achilles Rotatorcuff.

Not my intention at all. This should have nothing to do with rotator cuff, but some of you cant help yourselves ...

[ohmwrecker]

Not my intention at all. This should have nothing to do with rotator cuff, but some of you cant help yourselves ...

Sorry, man. I'm just doing my part as a Spurs fan in the NBA forum.

MJ being an asshole is nothing new though.

[Killakobe81]

LOL but Kobe's worse!!! If that is all you have to add to this thread it adds no value so please vacate. This is also not a bash MJ thread. I was just commentating on how "teflon" Jordan's persona is even til this day and that Lebron would never get that type of "pass. "

[Killakobe81]

Sorry, man. I'm just doing my part as a Spurs fan in the NBA forum.

MJ being an asshole is nothing new though.

True, Ohm. But I just find the media narrative interesting. Which is why I hate the MVP award race. not just in the NBA but in baseball as well. At least, recently baseball has done less "story" MVP's and focused more on stats such as WAR etc. I have seen Kirk Gibson and Terry Pendleton win MVP's because of great "stories". Kobe got his MVP in a very good not truly great year (for him). Nash won two and maybe deserved one. I just think the media shapes to much of our opinions on players and teams and the stats movement should help but often times just used to further agendas like the bashing of Tony upstairs.

[ohmwrecker]

True, Ohm. But I just find the media narrative interesting. Which is why I hate the MVP award race. not just in the NBA but in baseball as well. At least, recently baseball has done less "story" MVP's and focused more on stats such as WAR etc. I have seen Kirk Gibson and Terry Pendleton win MVP's because of great "stories". Kobe got his MVP in a very good not truly great year (for him). Nash won two and maybe deserved one. I just think the media shapes to much of our opinions on players and teams and the stats movement should help but often times just used to further agendas like the bashing of Tony upstairs.

MVP awards (all awards, really) are popularity contests, dog and pony shows and money chasing propaganda. I'm not saying that sometimes the most deserving player and the agenda push don't cross paths, but that's what it is... designed the push and sell the product.

[RsxPiimp]

So youre suggesting it didnt happen? Jordan didnt play poker with his Barcelona teammates to the wee hours of the morning?

I never said they didn't but for people to believe that a few guys playing cards one summer automatically made them "friends" is laughable.

[RsxPiimp]

There was an interview MJ did with Oprah in 96 in which she played a secret clip of Jordan and some of his bulls teammates dancing in some cheap little music video that they made. All of them were wearing goofy 80s shades. Jordan laughed and laughed at himself.

Look man, I love MJ as a player but you can't buy into his BS as this charismatic leader that everybody adores.The overwhelming amount of evidence which wasn't made public before are now available for us to look at. Jordan, like most great players is a insufferable bag. I followed his stint as both GM and player in Washington and he was pretty much hated by his staff. There was always uneasiness about Jordan's arrangement with the organization. The "Flaming got" incident that pretty much destroyed Kwame Brown's confidence from day one, to his constant bereavement of the other players.

[MarioSpeedwagon]

Look man, I love MJ as a player but you can't buy into his BS as this charismatic leader that everybody adores.The overwhelming amount of evidence which wasn't made public before are now available for us to look at. Jordan, like most great players is a insufferable bag. I followed his stint as both GM and player in Washington and he was pretty much hated by his staff. There was always uneasiness about Jordan's arrangement with the organization. The "Flaming got" incident that pretty much destroyed Kwame Brown's confidence from day one, to his constant bereavement of the other players.

He could be an asshole but some people make it like yelling at teammates at all is a negative. These are grown men who barely get through college at most points..yelling, intimidation, challenging them physically is unfortunately often the most effective method of motivation. If the guys in this thread were coaches or players I'm guessing they would get tired of the "pretty please stop screwing up " type speeches pretty quick.

[RsxPiimp]

He could be an asshole but some people make it like yelling at teammates at all is a negative. These are grown men who barely get through college at most points..yelling, intimidation, challenging them physically is unfortunately often the most effective method of motivation. If the guys in this thread were coaches or players I'm guessing they would get tired of the "pretty please stop screwing up " type speeches pretty quick.

I'm in the camp of people who believes that, most people who grew in that generation scoff at these type sensationalism reported by the media. I had to react since fans of todays game paints Jordan in a different light.

[da_suns_fan]

Not related to OP, but thanks. We already Know Kobe is a asshole. Why does Kobe need to be brought in to every MJ related thread? He is not as good as MJ but copied MJ ... we get it. Again thanks.

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". Someone even said Jordan was WORSE than Kobe.

But Jordan didnt have feud after feud with his teammates like Kobe did. Like I said, he was overly-compe ive and had a temper but was still a like-able guy.

LOTS of players can do bad things and still be like-able. Barkely threw a dude through a glass window at a bar, spit on a fan, chased a ref through the tunnels etc. Media still loved him not because he "played in a different era" but because he was funny, genuine, exciting and had great camaraderie with teammates.

Jordan got a "pass" not because he played in a different era but because he was able to charm the media, his teammates and his fans. Watch that Oprah interview...hes got her eating out of his hand. When youre that charming, handsome, intelligent, articulate etc, NO ONE CARES if you once punched a teammate in practice.

But if you scream at the GM during practice that your teammates are soft as charmin etc in front of the media, youre not "pushing your teammates". Youre trying to embarrass them. Dont use "todays era of scrutiny" as an excuse as to why Kobe acts like an asshole every day.

[lefty]

Nice little article on Kobe's feuds with various teammates:

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/...haquille-oneal

"Who was I suppose to pass it to? Chris Mihm?!!"

Classic Kobe.

MJ about his teammates:


.."We're beating a lot of poor teams. So what? We won a lot of games last year, too. Will Horace and Bill still be playing at this level in the playoffs...Can Pip keep it up?"

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"I hate being out there with those garbagemen. They don't get you the ball."

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"They've got no idea what it's all about. The white guys, they work hard, but they don't have the talent. And the rest of them? Who knows what to expect? They're not good for much of anything."

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"I know what's gonna happen. We'll wait until the last minute and then they'll say something like they couldn't get a deal done because of the cap or somebody pulled out at the last minute. It happens here all the time. I don't know why I'm surprised every year."

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"He can't do anything with the ball. Don't give it to him." - Michael yelling at Paxson who passed the ball to Perdue

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"You ever hear of a guy, six-eleven maybe and two hundred sixty pounds, a guy big and fat like that and he can't get but two rebounds, if that many, running all over the damn court and he gets two rebounds? Big guy like that and he gets one rebound. Can't even stick his ass into people and get more than that...Big, fat, fat guy. One rebound in three games. Power forward. Maybe they should call it powerless forward." - Michael ripping Stacey Kinga new one

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"He was scared in there and panicking. He just lost it when Stockton scored." - Michael on B.J. Armstrong's mental fragility

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I'll let them stand up and take responsibility for themselves."

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"We have to do some things. We need to make some changes."

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"...I call them 'the Looney Tunes.' Physically, they were the best. Mentally, they weren't even close."

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"He's scared. He's got no heart...Nobody told me that. If I had spoken up, he wouldn't have been here."

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"I know I can recognize what to do, but I'm not sure they can."

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"It's a of a lot easier to make Earl Monroe look good than it is Brad Sellers."

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"I hope there's a jumpshot in there." - Michael to Stacey Kingwho was walking into the locker room with a box

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"They don't need a ticket to watch you sitting on the bench. They can go to your house for that." - Michael to Charles Daviswho was sorting through his tickets for his family and friends

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"Give me the fu*king ball." - Michael to Doug Collins who drew up a play for Dave Corzine

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"I hate when I have to read that in the papers the next day, that I couldn't do something. It wasn't my fault."

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"You're an idiot. You've screwed up every play we ever ran. You're too stupid to even remember the plays. We ought to get rid of you." - Michael to Horace Grant

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"If you [pass the ball to Bill Cartwright], you'll never get the ball from me."

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"We're not winning because of talent. We're just beating bad teams."

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"Headache tonight, Scottie?" - Michael asks Scottie, while showing him his 2-for-16 line

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"It's probably a twelve-day. He needs two days to wake up." - Michael on a ten-day contract teammate

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"Five more years and I'm out of here. I'm marking these days on a calendar, like I'm in jail. I'm tired of being used by this organization, by the league, by the writers, by everyone."

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"They're not interested in winning. They just want to sell tickets, which they can do because of me. They won't make any deals to make us better. And this Kukoc thing. I hate that. They're spending all their time chasing this guy."

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"If I were a general manager, we'd be a better team."

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"Will Vanderbilt. He doesn't deserve to be named after a Big Ten school."- Michael on Will Perdue - AWESOME!

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"I want to prove the critics wrong...I want to see some serious moves from management, which I really haven't seen that much of yet, and I want to see more serious at udes from my teammates this year when it comes to the playoffs. In the past, it's been more or less a joking thing, sort of a 'Well, we're here, so let's have a good time.'"..........

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"I'm sure everything will be fine if we win, but if we start losing, I'm shooting."

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"I know what I would do if I were coach. I'd determine our strengths and weaknesses and utilize them. And it's pretty clear what our strength is."

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"Your boy doesn't want to play. I'm tired of bailing his ass out." - Michael yelling at Jim Cleamons about Dennis Hopson

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"I don't know about trading a 24 year-old guy for a 34 year-old guy." - Michael questioning the Oakley trade

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"He's causing me too many turnovers." - Michael on Cartwright's inability to catch

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"Why the don't you ever set a pick like that in a game?" - Michael yelling at Perdue after also hitting Perdue upside his head (led to the ins ution of the private curtain for practices)

[daslicer]

MJ and Kobe are both sociopaths but the reason MJ was able to get away with more stuff was because his social skills were light years ahead of Kobe. MJ was better at charming and manipulating people. He knew which people to befriend to his benefit such as having Oakley as his bodyguard. If you think about it if MJ was on the Lakers he would have been able to manipulate turn the whole entire team against Shaq. Both suck as people and this is basically like debating who was the better dictator Sadaam or Kim Jung.

[Killakobe81]

Because the thread is suppose to be about "what if Jordan was around today would he get the same criticism leveled at players like Kobe". S

Not it is not. I used Lebron as my example to avoid this EXACT issue. But In addition to how amusing it is to watch the media impact on opinion of players by common fans I have gained more insight on Kobe haters so for that thank you.

But back to the topic at hand, Saying that Player x was worse doesnt change the dynamics. of my observation. Jordan is still teflon. I dont think the media climate is the only reason and I stand by that. Again plenty of other threads to disparage Rotator cuff. Yes someone else said MJ was worse I almost responded to that message saying that I dont know if true or not ...but that shouldnt matter this is about the GOAT not the carbon copy.