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    Interestingly Sports VU stats still show TP as one of the fastest players in the game so the huge drop off in speed arguement some are making doesnt hold water.

    Personally I believe its a combination of confidence and conditioning.

    He has been hesitant all season to attack the paint like he did in the old days ( for fear of reinjury maybe?) and his game is noticeably different. Injuries have played a part in him being no where near peak condition or able to play big minutes.
    Now that his jumpshot is completely shot his confidence is at an all time low and this is probably the worst stretch of games he has ever played.

    At this point I would start mills, give him the green light to take 15 - 20 shots and hope he can go mega man like last season.
    He led the Olympics in points and we all know he can score in a hurry and put up numbers. Kawhi isnt ready yet...that leaves mills as the best pure scorer left on the team. Its time to make him the offensive focal point.

    TP needs his minutes regulated and should be used in short bursts. If he cant get in the paint then he is useless on this team

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    Perhaps he's afraid to be explosive until it's time to risk injury. Parker is a warrior -- that's one thing I strongly disagree with most people here on.

    I think he'll try to be the old TP during the playoffs -- he'll either soar or get injured. Either way, it will have been the right decision.
    He's a warrior in the same way Kobe is a warrior - fabricate fake injuries and make excuses in order to disguise their poor play. It's a heroballer thing, no doubt.

    And TP has ALWAYS wilted come playoff time. Nearly every one of his statistical categories sees a sharp drop when the post-season rolls around. If TP is already playing this bad in the regular season, there's no hope for him in the post-season. He's not Duncan or Manu - those two are warriors that have given us great playoff performances while playing through injuries. Parker has never done that. He's a choke artist, always has been. Always will be. Nothing against TP - he's just not on the same tier as those two as a playoff performer.

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    Starting to think that TP threatened the team - told them if they don't give him an extension, he'll play for France. Spurs obliged and Tony rested the summer. If true, it's de able on Tony's part.
    WOW! What to set up a straw man and then set him on fire!!!

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    It's atrocious. I'm not even happy to see it like the TP bashers with an agenda. Just sad to see him fall of a cliff this hard. I also miss Brazil tbh, one of my s....
    His decline has been unbelievable steep. If it's not an injury, he's not even a mid-level player anymore.

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    All those years of putting the team on his back...

    it's taken a toll on the 3rd greatest player in Spurs history.

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    WOW! What to set up a straw man and then set him on fire!!!
    Can't think of another reason why the front office would give him that extension. Why not let TP play out his existing contract and wait till summer of 2015 to reup? Makes no sense to give him that bloated extension at that point in time. Now we're stuck with a bad contract that's going to make it difficult to rebuild in the next few years. TP giving them an ultimatum makes sense - he loves playing for France and using it against the Spurs as a bargaining chip to set him up financially for the rest of his career seems like something he would do. Sucks for the fans but TP conned the Spurs good on this one.

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    TP giving them an ultimatum makes sense - he loves playing for France and using it against the Spurs as a bargaining chip to set him up financially for the rest of his career seems like something he would do. Sucks for the fans but TP conned the Spurs good on this one.
    Honestly - it makes no sense at all.

    You have zero idea what, in fact, is in TP's mind or heart.

    You, in fact, have no idea what reason the FO used for awarding that contract.

    Your lack of imagination as to a reason in NO way leads to a conclusion that you put forth for no apparent reason other than to try to marshall more hatred for a player that you hate now and have hated for a long time.

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    All those years of putting the team on his back...

    it's taken a toll on the 3rd greatest player in Spurs history.
    keep waiting for the 3 straight years where Enrique led the Spurs..

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    Honestly - it makes no sense at all.

    You have zero idea what, in fact, is in TP's mind or heart.

    You, in fact, have no idea what reason the FO used for awarding that contract.

    Your lack of imagination as to a reason in NO way leads to a conclusion that you put forth for no apparent reason other than to try to marshall more hatred for a player that you hate now and have hated for a long time.
    I'm not a player fan, like you. I don't hold a grudge against any one player. When Manu sucked in 2013, I criticized him. TP is playing at a level much worse than any we've ever seen from a star on the Spurs. Of course, he's going to take heat. He's the highest paid player on the squad and he's not playing like it.

    And it honestly wouldn't surprise me if TP used the French NT as leverage for a new contract. He's played every possible tournament for his country in the past four or five years. Last year was the first time in a while that he took the summer off. Why now all of a sudden?

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    keep waiting for the 3 straight years where Enrique led the Spurs..
    He'll lead us into the lottery, for sure

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    I think Parker is still hurt! He needs to sit and get healthy! He also gained weight and his conditioning is poor! He seems slower and with the weight gain it's definitely not helping as he can't keep in front of other point guards! Pop needs to limit his minutes and he needs to lose that weight fast! Bring Parker off the bench and start Cojo! Mills and Manu are great together! I'd even start Manu as pg as he would facilitate the ball better for Duncan, Baynes, Green and Kawhi!

    I feel so bad for Parker to see him so slow and out of sync! His shot is off! I can only think that he is still hurt and is trying to do too much and it's not working!

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    I think Parker is still hurt! He needs to sit and get healthy! He also gained weight and his conditioning is poor! He seems slower and with the weight gain it's definitely not helping as he can't keep in front of other point guards! Pop needs to limit his minutes and he needs to lose that weight fast! Bring Parker off the bench and start Cojo! Mills and Manu are great together! I'd even start Manu as pg as he would facilitate the ball better for Duncan, Baynes, Green and Kawhi!

    I feel so bad for Parker to see him so slow and out of sync! His shot is off! I can only think that he is still hurt and is trying to do too much and it's not working!
    Doing so much? like killing the whole team? Spurs will miss the playoffs because of that ĻHARD WORKING POSĻ hero yours.

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    Rique, Porker and remember this... THE NUMBERS DONīT LIE.

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    All those years of putting the team on his back...

    it's taken a toll on the 3rd greatest player in Spurs history.
    You trying to bait Manu's fans or Gervin's ones, tbh?

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    keep waiting for the 3 straight years where Enrique led the Spurs..
    During the 6 seasons from '08-'09 to '13-'14, Parker led the team in scoring 5 times, led the team in assists 6 times and led the Big Three in FG% 4 times. He did that while playing in over 80% of regular season games. During those 6 seasons, he played over 3000 more minutes than Ginobili, which would amount to more minutes than either played during any one season.

    Dude looks bad out there right now - no one is arguing that. But let's not forget how much the Spurs have depended on him to carry the load.

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    During the 6 seasons from '08-'09 to '13-'14, Parker led the team in scoring 5 times, led the team in assists 6 times and led the Big Three in FG% 4 times. He did that while playing in over 80% of regular season games. During those 6 seasons, he played over 3000 more minutes than Ginobili, which would amount to more minutes than either played during any one season.

    Dude looks bad out there right now - no one is arguing that. But let's not forget how much the Spurs have depended on him to carry the load.
    you're pointing out facts.

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    Rique, Porker and remember this... THE NUMBERS DONīT LIE.
    Numbers lied up 5 with 28 seconds to go. Don't you ever forget 6.

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    I'm not a player fan, like you. I don't hold a grudge against any one player. When Manu sucked in 2013, I criticized him. TP is playing at a level much worse than any we've ever seen from a star on the Spurs. Of course, he's going to take heat. He's the highest paid player on the squad and he's not playing like it.

    And it honestly wouldn't surprise me if TP used the French NT as leverage for a new contract. He's played every possible tournament for his country in the past four or five years. Last year was the first time in a while that he took the summer off. Why now all of a sudden?
    No, I am a TEAM fan, unlike you who are a player Hater. Criticizing is one thing...harping and proffering assumed evil and malignant motivations that have zero basis is fact is not a sign of a team supporter, it is a sign that you are unhinged regarding a particular player.

    I have criticized Parker; that is not what you do. You HATE,

    I have supported Tim, Manu, Boris, Kawhi, Patty, Danny, even Tiago and Baynes. I don't need to prove that to you. You are a pure and simple single player hater.

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    During the 6 seasons from '08-'09 to '13-'14, Parker led the team in scoring 5 times, led the team in assists 6 times and led the Big Three in FG% 4 times. He did that while playing in over 80% of regular season games. During those 6 seasons, he played over 3000 more minutes than Ginobili, which would amount to more minutes than either played during any one season.

    Dude looks bad out there right now - no one is arguing that. But let's not forget how much the Spurs have depended on him to carry the load.
    Lots of Parker haters in this forum like to say how he was terrible last year, too. He wasn't as good as he was the year before, but he still lead the team in points and assists last year...you know, the year before they gave him a contract that now everyone says is a disaster.

    You are right that he looks pretty much awful right now. Those of us who don't hate him are aware of this. The haters just cannot allow that he has ever made a contribution to the team's success.

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    During the 6 seasons from '08-'09 to '13-'14, Parker led the team in scoring 5 times, led the team in assists 6 times and led the Big Three in FG% 4 times. He did that while playing in over 80% of regular season games. During those 6 seasons, he played over 3000 more minutes than Ginobili, which would amount to more minutes than either played during any one season.
    During that time:

    - First round exit
    - Second round exit (swept, Dragic s on Enrique)
    - First round exit (8)
    - Backdoor swept
    - Carried by Kawhi and a newly-rejuvenated Duncan to the Finals
    - Carried by Kawhi and Duncan to a ring, negative impact in the playoffs, Spurs had no problems winning crucial playoff games without him

    Great regular season numbers, but a Choke Paul-esque playoff resume when Duncan/Kawhi aren't there to carry him and there isn't a Speedy Claxton to bail him out. Definitely NOT the third-best Spur of all time. Tbh, ElNono's client gets clowned on for his turnovers, but he's still way better than Enrique.

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    Numbers lied up 5 with 28 seconds to go. Don't you ever forget 6.
    Thats on our guys missing freebies and Rique shooting 3/94.

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    Thats on our guys missing freebies and Rique shooting 3/94.

    ? Who do you think scored the 5 points that put us UP by five with 28 seconds to go?

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    Yes, I did see those, and I referred to my acceptance of those in my original response. I don't question those. That is why I said that I would love to see him only play 15 minutes a game. What I can't figure out is HOW it is that if we didn't need him last year we can't win with him playing poorly THIS year.
    Seriously? It's not that hard. He's gone from a decent player to an atrocious one over the past year.

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    He's basically a poor man's Raymond Felton.

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    During the 6 seasons from '08-'09 to '13-'14, Parker led the team in scoring 5 times, led the team in assists 6 times and led the Big Three in FG% 4 times. He did that while playing in over 80% of regular season games. During those 6 seasons, he played over 3000 more minutes than Ginobili, which would amount to more minutes than either played during any one season.

    Dude looks bad out there right now - no one is arguing that. But let's not forget how much the Spurs have depended on him to carry the load.
    Classifying that as 'carrying' is re ed. I'll give him '11-'12 and '12-'13 but that's about it.

    Timmy was still putting up 19, 11 and 2+anchoring the defense in '08-'09. In '09-'10 the team started playing their best basketball when Rique went down and G-Hill was the starter. Manu was a Top 5 player in the league the second half of that season and he carried it over to '10-'11 when he was an all-star. Last season was the greatest display of team basketball we've ever seen--he didn't carry .

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