Tim Duncan is THE BEST PF of all TIME!

[Leetonidas]

I have to disagree with the person who started this thread, Karl Malone is the best all-time Power Forward....

Championships don't count becasue they are won collectively not individually.

Karl Malone had bad luck winning a championship thanks to a guy named Michael Jordan.

KARL MALONE AND TIM DUNCAN

KARL

25PPG
10.1 REB PER GAME
3.6 AST
1.4 STL
.70 BLKS
3.07 TO
37.2 MINS
51.6FG%
27.4 3PTFG%
74.2 FT%

Career Numbers and achievements:

Ranks second all-time in points scored with 36,374, behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387)
Holds the NBA record most consecutive seasons scoring 2,000 or more points (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98) and shares the record with Michael Jordan for most career 2,000 point seasons (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98)
Tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (17) for most consecutive seasons scoring at least 20.0 points per game (17, 1986-87 to 2002-03)
Scored a career-high 61 points, the most by a Jazz player since the franchise moved to Utah, against the Milwaukee Bucks on 1/27/90
Scored a Jazz playoff-record 50 points and grabbed 12 boards against the Seattle SuperSoncics on 4/22/00
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in free-throws made (seven, 1988-89 to 1992-93, 1996-97, 1997-98) and most consecutive seasons leading the league in free-throws made (1988-89 to 1992-93)
Passed Moses Malone (8,531) to become the NBA's all-time leader in free throws made on 3/24/01 vs. the Washington Wizards
Became the all-time leader in free throws attepmted on 12/10/01 against the Mavericks
Ranks second all-time in field-goals made with 13,335 behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15,837)
Ranks second all-time in minutes played at 53,479, trailing only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (57,446)
Ranks seventh all-time in rebounds, with 14,601
Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls
Named to the 1985-86 NBA All-Rookie Team and finished third in Rookie of the Year balloting after averaging 14.9 ppg and 8.9 rpg
A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta
Winner of the 1997-98 IBM Award
During career, named NBA Player of the Week 22 times and NBA Player of the Month seven times


TIM DUNCAN:




22.5 PPG

12.2 REB

3.1 AST

.78 STL

2.5 BLKS

38.3 MINS

50.7FG%

19.43PTFG%

69.2FT%



All-NBA First Team 2003
NBA Finals MVP 2003
Two-time Most Valuable Player (2001-02 and 2002-03)
Named the NBA Finals MVP in both 1999 and 2003 to become just the third player in history to earn Finals MVP honors in each of their first two trips to the Finals (joining Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan)
Just the second player in NBA history to be named to both an All-NBA Team and an All-Defensive Team in each of his first six seasons (David Robinson was the first and he earned the honors in each of his first seven seasons)
Has been named to the All-NBA First Team all six seasons, the first player since Larry Bird (fifth in NBA history: Baylor, Bird, Duncan, Pet and Robertson) to be named All-NBA First Team in each of his first six seasons
Has earned a spot on the All-Defensive First Team each of the last five seasons after being named to the All-Defensive Second Team as a rookie in '97-98
Named the 1999 Finals MVP
Won the 1998 Rookie of the Year
Named co-MVP of the 2000 All-Star Game
Been named an All-Star five straight seasons (no game was held in 1999)
Ranks seventh among active players in playoff career scoring average with 23.9 ppg
Played for the USA Team in the 1999 Americas Qualifying Tournament in San Juan, Puerto Rico, was selected to play for the U.S. Team in the 2000 Olympics but had to withdraw due to a knee injury
Been named the NBA Player of the Week 15 times and the Player of the Month four times
Leads all players in the NBA in double-doubles over the last six seasons
Named to the All Tournament Team for the 2003 FIBA Americas Men’s Qualifying Tournament after leading the U.S. Team to the Gold Medal.


PPG=MALONE

REB=DUNCAN

AST=MALONE

STL=MALONE

BLKS=DUNCAN

MINS=DUNCAN

FG=MALONE

3PTFG%=MALONE

FT%=MALONE

6 out of 9 categories are dominated by Malone.

Duncan is close to become the best power forward but he isn't just yet.

Stats don't mean crap. If Duncan had Stockton as his PG, he'd dominate 7 out of 9 of those (who cares about 3PT%?).

[Leetonidas]

Look at the most important numbers:

NBA Finals MVPs:

Duncan: 3
Malone: 0

NBA Finals Trophies:

Duncan: 3
Malone: 0

[ambchang]

PPG=MALONE
REB=DUNCAN
AST=MALONE
STL=MALONE
BLKS=DUNCAN
MINS=DUNCAN
FG=MALONE
3PTFG%=MALONE
FT%=MALONE
6 out of 9 categories are dominated by Malone.
Duncan is close to become the best power forward but he isn't just yet.

First, I don't agree with stats being definitive of how great a player is.
Second, ranking the number of categories is illogical. Are you saying that FT% is of equal weight to PPG? Or REB to Ast? How was that determined.
Lastly, how in the world would 3PTFG% be any kind of a stat to determine the greatness of a PF?
Malone cannot carry a team to an NBA championship, not even with a HoF sidekick in John Stockton when both of them were in their primes. Malone was a great PF, one of the best eer, and there is little question on that, but his inability to take over games at crucial moments of the game has put him in a category that is lower than that of Duncan.

[ambchang]

Yes they do!

Numbers don't lie

So Wes Unseld (10.8/14) is about even with Dennis Rodman(7.3/13.1)? Mitch Richmond (21/3.9/3.5) is similar to Dr. J (22/6.9/3.9)? Grant Hill (20.8/7.5/5.7) > Scottie Pippen (16.1/6.4/5.2)?

[TDMVPDPOY]

Wat team does tim duncan play for btw??

[K-9]

K-9

Are you saying that being a little bit of center takes some greatness from Tim?



You've got to be kidding me.

And gold olympic medal is not that much important right now.

But yes
I would say it is
mailman
bob pet
sir
who are just under Tim on the list

No what I'm trying to say is that Tim isn't a pure PF. I was trying to say that he is the better player but I see him more as a C than a PF. Which makes Karl Malone the better PF, but I think Tim is the better player.

It would be like calling Michael Jordan a point guard because he brought up the ball a lot for the Bulls. Then picking him over Stockton who is nothing but a PG. Do I make any sense?

[Mavs<Spurs]

When healthy I've never seen a better power forward. Guy was two blocked shots away from a quadruple-double in an NBA finals game. 21 points, 20 rebounds, 10 assists and 8 blocks.

That was the most amazing game I ever saw anybody play. I just finished watching the 2003 Spurs video again a few minutes ago. What can you say to that stat line in the deciding game of the NBA Finals?

[jermaine7fan]

My belief is that Karl Malone would have done far less in his career... stats wise... if he had no Stockton. I give Tim the edge for that reason... and the les.

[peskypesky]

I have the utmost respect for Malone's career stats. They are sick! Absolutely sick. Go look at them.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...malonka01.html

Until Tim came along, Malone was indeed the greatest power forward to ever play the game. But when comparing his stats to Duncan's, you have to remember that Malone had John Stockton feeding him the ball, and that's gotta add at least 6ppg to his stats.

But most importantly, I just have to go with Tim's 3 Finals MVP trophies. That clinches it IMO.

BTW, for those who argue that Malone didn't get any rings because he played during the days of His Airness, if you subtract the 6 years that Jordan won the ring, that left Malone with oh, only about 13 chances to win one for himself. He didn't. Nuff said.