Kyle reworked his shot in his rookie season. He had a very, very deliberate release in college, cringe-inducing. He still has a slow shot, but its not nearly the same form or as slow as it was. I believe he's quickened it and its probably something that is still in progress. Like I said from Chips interview it seems some guys may take longer if they have more work and corrections to make.
Never knew what happened with Ayers, never had a nice looking shot (at least Kyle's and Simmon's form look nice) but Ayers in general wasn't very coordinated. Just the fact he had trouble rebounding and catching a ball told you the hand/eye coordination was bad. Neither Kyle nor Simms have the hand/eye coordination problem.
I think this is what it is too. It's definitely not "he got his money now he doesn't give a ". . .he's clearly not that kind of guy. And I absolutely don't think any players WANTS to be . It's embarrassing to them on every level. He's probably stuck in a downward spiral of knowing he's not doing well so he's thinking about it too much and it's making him tense and continue to up.
I would imagine actually, that if he DIDN'T give a about having done poorly, he would bounce back quicker.
I do think this is part of it, I also think it's because the Spurs are trying to make him someone he's not. Danny's a "3 and D" player. Danny's been playing ball for what 15+ years of his life and he still can't consistently take someone off the dribble. It's just not who he is. It sort of reminds me of the "let's make Gary Neal a point guard" experiment that failed miserably.
LOL... I've been ed here by far better than you. I think I can live with it.
I don't care what you've said in the past. Bring something reasonable, and I'll give you credit for it. Saying that Danny doesn't give a about making 3's until he gets elbowed in the face? That's not gonna cut it.
I have gotten the impression from Pop's comments on other players and in general that he's always trying to make guys into more than they are. He's made that comment referring to other players. To a degree I think it has made him a very successful championship coach. He's always pushing guys beyond what they think they can do. Some guys will grow, get better and push through (the best guys he's coached). But he coaches everyone the same and will push everyone. Some guys fail. He's said that referring to Leonard, how he's like a sponge, they keep loading him up and the guy keeps getting better, and he's remarked not everyone improves.
So I get the sense he tries to make everyone more than they are. Some guys just fall short and don't achieve the vision he has for them. Happened to Danny, but can't fault him for trying. He has one of the largest contracts in the team. Will be here for 4 years, growing with Leonard, and Manu is retiring very soon. Before the month of December when J.Simms grew exponentially he didn't even know if Simms could even play at this level since he looked so poor during preseason, and Anderson is not a SG for sure. So he had to push Danny. It didn't work.
For the record, ceperez, SAGirl clearly follows college ball. She's proven it on too many occasions. You clearly don't. If she says he re-worked his release in his rookie season, I'd listen.
But that's just me ting on your takes, and making myself look bad.
Well, reworked or not...I love Kyle's shot now. His release reminds of Dirk's. It's beautiful. I think he could be a great 3 point shooter.
But, I don't think he can ever be the one on one defender Green is. Just too slow even tho he's a decent system defender. But, Danny can do both...and better right now. I think Kyle could be a good 3 point shooter and assist/movement guy. But, Patty does that better right now as well.
I like Kyle's controlled game and court awareness a lot. I just don't know where that fits into our current system. Maybe use him a little like Dirk? He can do those middle range fade-away jumpers better than anyone on the team not named Boris...lol
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If I knew how to do vines I would post a view of his shot b4 and after.
AT min. 5.55 or so it goes into his improved shooting that season. He was very accurate, but his shot was very deliberate. Frankly it looks a lot slower than the shot he has now.
You can see his new 3 pt shot in the first sequence in this video:
Not super lighting quick but adequate for this level, particularly with his high release. Wishing for more of those.
There's no questioning Green's demeanor, or his locker room presence. He is your prototypical Spur role player, and a good dude. Also, no questioning the team success. LMA is an entirely different subject, so I'll keep it at Green.
Green's lack of any significant improvement beyond his defense cannot be ignored. Danny's not a max player of course, but he's not exactly on a veteran's minimum now either. For him to be on the Spurs this long at his age, and not having added anything to his overall game is unacceptable IMO, and even if he was draining his threes at the usual percentage I'd still have the same opinion on him.
He got paid is my guess
Its weird because the eyetest tells me 2 things, it seems like his 2pt shot off a screen in the elbow ala rip hamilton is money and 2nd it seems that he rushes his 3 pt shots very much this season
I have no problem with him missing open 3's and the occasional pull up 3 in transition, those are shots he has shown to be able to hit and I have confidence those shots will fall when it matters. The shots I can't stand are the weird long twos where he takes 1 or 2 indecisive dribbles and throws up an unbalanced look, or where he's coming off of a screen for a midrange two and is again off balanced. I feel like this season he's taking more off balanced shots than I've ever seen, and taking a lot of awkward long 2's that really don't serve any purpose. Idk he seems like he's pressing sometimes when he, for the most part, should be relegated to open 3's and lay ups off cuts/good ball movement.
That being said, I'm confident he'll be there when it matters. No reason not to trust him, as much as kawhi has helped us become truly elite in the NBA again, Danny has had a huge role in that too. Can't even imagine making those back to back finals appearances without him tbh
I think these historical Spurs can win a ring with this Green... so, I would disagree that him reverting to his old level 'is key'. Obviously, if he plays better, then we get more wiggle room.
It's like when you see the challenges in the ASG. You'll see a guy hit several of the targets in a row then miss an easy one, then he'll get in a hurry and miss again, then he's trying to regain focus and he misses again, then he's second guessing everything muscle memory knows and he misses yet again. It happens in golf and in billiards and darts and almost every precision sport. It's not about mechanics, it's about him forgetting he's in a slump. The problem is he tries to forget so he has to remind himself that he should forget he just missed the last time. Imagine that.
I don't know why real posters like you respond to alts like ceperez or any of the kawhi s or parker hater alt shtick folks. None of them ever talk basketball from a technical standpoint, always from an abrasive, finger pointing, ignorant ass got standpoint and that's being conservative.
3 pt shooting can be a big issue for us...
TD 21,
Claims for Marco...
Historic 3 pt shooting by GSW.
If I could mention one thing, that might be a factor other than health, is a couple of our 3 pt shooters going cold at the same time. We have the defense to survive games like that but that is a very narrow margin for error in late game execution and a coin toss. That is when GSW coin toss has been luckier than our coin toss.
I'll live with Kawhi, Patty or even Manu taking any set play 3 point shot... then, generally speaking, shooters going cold can happen to anybody, including the Spurs (remember Danny in the 2013 WCF?). Likewise, shooters going hot can happen too (Patty making timely 3 point shots in the 2014 Finals and busting games wide open comes to mind).
I would be more concerned if Danny wouldn't be playing defensively as well, but overall, I'm pleased with his play on that side of the court (and I don't have numbers in front of me, just eye test).
Obviously, if Danny starts hitting at a respectable rate again, then much better. It would remove some pressure on our defense, and that's always welcome.
I just don't think Danny hitting 3s is a sole factor that will make or break our season.
Then again, we might not be better than the Warriors, regardless of that situation, when the time comes. That can happen. Or maybe the Warriors won't make the WCF (injuries, slump, you never know), so I don't worry about that right now. I just like how we look defensively, and I think our offense is shaping up very nicely.
Well, as you know I have staunchly and stubbornly defended Pop's selection of our new wings who are not pure shooters but who have been a plus defensively. We have been blessed that Simmons has had an offensive effect regardless with his relentless aggression and Boban has also been a game changer.
We are also very stout defensively. We are really, really in the best possible situation we can be to win the ship... and that is all you can ask.
It does seem though, that aside from health, late game execution doldrums that we have talked about here ad nauseaum, our only other issue is sometimes guys going cold that we need (Danny frequently, LMA and Tony have had subpar games, and when Patty struggles it is a hurdle). I don't think we need Danny lighting it up like its 2013, but 30% from 3 or below? ... Well you know what? I hope they dare him to shoot cause we know Danny can punish them. If he can't he will have to get benched. We must remember how much Marco had to play in that Clippers series bc our shooting woes. I would say part of the reason I was satisfied with our 4th wing situation is that Danny is/was a knockdown shooter. Specially bc sometimes you do need the 3 to make a run in games or get back into a game if we start with our scoring woes from behind.
Not that the entirety of our championship run rests on Danny of course but seeing Manu's age, and our other wings' reluctance to shoot, I do want Danny at his usual rate.
By the way, J.Simms and Kyle were shooting some 3s in the dleague, they better let that shot go free TBH.
I'm just enjoying watching the evolution of this team. Enjoying the ride as they say. Frankly, right now, I don't see any of Simms, Anderson or even Boban playing more than spot minutes if the playoffs started today, barring injury.
But obviously that can change from now to April. We'll see also if RC decides to make a move when then trade market opens.
I think Boban is a guy you throw out there if we are desperate. I particularly have liked how he's able to provide rim protection for the bench. For sure if we have some "Turd Towers" sighting (hate calling them like a schtick, but you get the meaning), throw Boban.
Simmons is also a guy that you may throw for a few minutes if you need a jolt, but then transition scoring does dry up in the playoffs so its not a guarantee that he will have his usual impact, but I do see at least 8 mins of him there like Pop has played him against playoff teams. Short leash. If he can control his fouling and TO I do see more minutes for him. To me he has the wild card X potential, but I guess we will see.
Kyle hasn't shown yet he's at that level. He's still very green and reluctant to shoot. As it concerns him, I do doubt it very much.
Yeah, he seems to be ing up his shot mechanics on most shots.. Its hardly in rythym and the jump itself is different each time it seems.
I have no problem with trying to develop someone's game. That's what the player and the coaching staff should do. It's just when do you stop and just say "it's not working?" I honestly don't know if we reached that point with Danny. I just don't want it to effect the rest of his game (overall confidence) going forward. We are nearing the mid point of the season and still winning, despite his struggles on offense. I believe Danny and the coaching staff will figure it out.
I'm not saying back to his old level but at least not disputing the le of worst shooter of the league with Kobe Bryant would be a start or being bottom 10 at his position
for the rest we disagree... unless you are saying if Kawhi continue playing as top 3 player of the league, everybody healthy, stars align themselves to help spurs etc
-Kawhi will continue to be a top 5 player.
-Even if danny shoots 50% but the team is not healthy, we don't win anyway.
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