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Shaq was dissin' on Eric Dampier in that SAS interview more than on anyone else. Did you see that clip? The Duncan and Finley thing was mild compared to his WNBA comments about Dampier.
Fuq Shaq.
Shaq was dissin' on Eric Dampier in that SAS interview more than on anyone else. Did you see that clip? The Duncan and Finley thing was mild compared to his WNBA comments about Dampier.
Who are the two players who won two championships with 11 different teammates again?
That's right, Bill Russell and Tim Duncan.
Also, putting Amare in the same breath as Duncan, Hakeem, Kareem, Robinson, and even Shaq is laughable. Amare has a nice mid range jumper, and he drives to the right and dunks very hard. Granted, those are not easy moves to stop, but his predictability is something that allows the Spurs to beat the Suns. Is it a coincidence that the Spurs outscores the Suns in the fourth quarter in every game they won, while Amare goes off in those same fourth quarters?
Amare has very limited defensive ability, and is offense is quite one-dimensional. Granted, he is an unbelievable talent and has the potential to be an all-time great, much remains to be seen.
To me, Amare is Bob McAdoo with a dunk.
In 1999, David averaged 16/10 during the playoffs, and I certainly would agree that he was a force that propelled the Spurs to a le. But in 2003, David averaged more like 8/7 during the playoffs.
I'm not sure how many times in history a center has averaged less than 8 points per game and fewer than 7 rebounds per game (both below his regular season averages) in about 23 minutes per game and still been a "force" that propelled a team to a le.
The 2002-03 Spurs had 1 driving force -- Tim Duncan, who averaged 25/15/5/3.3.
Hmmm. . . . .25/15/5/3.3 or 30/11/1/2 . . . . .
His leadership was always important to the Spurs, but in 2003 David was a bit more like an important role player than a driving force.
Take off the rose colored glasses. Amare scored 26 points on a team that TOTALLY dominated on the perimeter, leaving the lane basically empty. His post game is lukewarm at best. His best bet is a jumper, or an allez-oop. We'll see how good he really is this year, without the blanket of shooters to protect him. Expect to see a LOT of ball denial and double and even triple teams. As for the rebounding, that's pie in the sky. He's averaged under 9 a game for his 4 year career, and it's pretty consistant numbers, not an upward trend, although I will give you that there WILL be a lot of missed 3s for him to clean up, if he has the desire. He hasn't shown that in 4 years, though.At his peak, I see MVP's, 30points, 12rebounds per averages and at least 1 le, though at this point, I'm no longer certain that will be with Phoenix.
My guess for his numbers this year: 22 and 9.
For someone who likes to talk about the Suns as much as you do, it would be nice if you actually followed up on some of my posts in response to your rants.
I'm not wasting my time to retype these posts. If you care to inform yourself so as to stop looking the fool, then by all means, go through my posts and find them.
The Suns made Johnson and Richardson, not the other way around. They have replaced those two with Bell, Jones and House, three 40+% shooters from range and still have Jackson, Nash, Barbosa, Marion as well. Their 3-point shooting will be fine.
If you noticed, my post actually said I don't think those numbers would come as a Sun. I think he leaves with an opt-out clause in a few years once Nash and Marion's contracts are up.
I'm hardly a homer. In fact, I'm the complete opposite. I love the Suns, but am never afraid to expose their flaws and speak of their weaknesses.
I never compared players, just situations. Please read to comprehend.Also, putting Amare in the same breath as Duncan, Hakeem, Kareem, Robinson, and even Shaq is laughable.
Maybe some of you posts should take the spurs out your ass and realize that simply because you have the best player and are the best team, that the NBA doesn't stop there.
Players do get better, teams improve. All that needs to be said.
It doesn't???because you have the best player and are the best team, that the NBA doesn't stop there.
Hmm, last I checked world championships are what you mesured yourself in sports.
Phoenix its how many head coaches you can blow through in a 5 year span.
BTW, I wouldnt doubt if the Suns start out like 12-8 or 13-7 that D'Antoni is fired.
1 and a half years, thats the typical lifespan of the elusive Phoenix Suns coach.
you watch SAS interviewing Shaq? you must have been bored. by the way, welcome.shaq undermines duncan,
Hey guys this my first post on forum, anyway did anyone see shaq on stephen A.'s quite freakingly? when he was asked by stephen ass about duncan, shaq almost ignorantly said "yeah I'd say he's a great player" and went on to say, aside from him, if a team to pick a player to start to franchise with, it would be Amare. and he said He's only good big man left in league, he also said that not coming Miami is Finley loss,not his.
I don't think shaq gives enough respect to duncan, and thinks Amare is best big man after. I think it's funny, what do you guys think.
cant wait for shaq to choke this season, whats his excuse if he doesnt win a ring or make it to teh finals, yeh thats right blame it on the burger.......WHOSE NEXT?
Yes, Amare sucks pretty ing bad when Nash isn't around. What did they lose, 5, 6 games in a row?Duncan is great, but he's got five great years left.
Amare hasn't even peaked, so barring injury, 10 years isn't unreasonable.
That is why Shaq would choose Amare, not because they are boys or party hardy
Even as early as Amare's rookie year, Shaq claimed Stoudemire was the future of this League. Have you seen anything in the 2-1/2 seasons Amare's played that would discredit that?
Fair enough. I'm honestly interested in knowing, though, if you think things don't change to some extent for the Suns by virtue of the apparent decision to play a more normal lineup with Thomas, Stoudemire and Marion together. I mean, part of what made Marion such a tough cover last season was the fact that he was basically playing an offensive power forward and routinely was matched up with PF's who had no chance to keep up with him in transition or off-the-dribble. Move forward one year and Marion, it seems, is moving back to SF, where he'll still be good, but might not be quite as dynamic in creating defensive headaches for opponents (see, generally, 2005 WCF, where Spurs treated Marion like a SF).
I thought that part of what made the Suns so difficult last season was not just their willingness to launch from wherever and their success with that strategy. It was the inability of teams to find a way to defend Marion, Stoudemire, Richardson, and Johnson at the same time. If the Suns play with a more "normal" lineup, I wonder if they'll get the same mismatches when they have to slow it down -- when they can't just launch from distance? It seems to me that two bigs (particularly with undersized 2nd bigs in Grant and Thomas) makes it much easier for teams to double Amare in the post and rotate without creating even worse problems.
I'm honestly curious about how Suns fans see that issue playing out.
^That's true.
I'm not underminding the Suns, because they were a damn good team last year, and Amare is an awesome player, but I mean he's no where close to Tim Duncan and no where close to the best big man in the league. Without Steve Nash I don't even think they make the playoffs this year.
Just curious, but how many more years before we see Amare in a Lakers uniform?Duncan is great, but he's got five great years left.
Amare hasn't even peaked, so barring injury, 10 years isn't unreasonable.
That is why Shaq would choose Amare, not because they are boys or party hardy
Even as early as Amare's rookie year, Shaq claimed Stoudemire was the future of this League. Have you seen anything in the 2-1/2 seasons Amare's played that would discredit that?
To be fair, JMarkJohns has repeatedly said that he expects the improvement from Amare whether he's in a Suns uniform or not -- and I think that he expects that Amare will end up somewhere other than Phoenix when Nash and Marion's contracts expire.Just curious, but how many more years before we see Amare in a Lakers uniform?
Amare improved with and without Nash.Amare's great jump shot is due to his practicing and always trying to improve himself. Some of Amare's great dunks and improving other skills are due to Nash helping him in many ways.It goes both ways, now there no telling what will happen happen to Amare's game when Nash leaves but i think at the improving rate he's playing he'll play very well with and without Nash
For all the Spur's fan curious about how suns fan view all these changes here's my take on it :
I'm worried,i will admitt that but who wouldn't be worried if your whole team basically left. It would be like Manu,Tony,Robert,and Bowen just leaving the spurs. All of the suns players that left, left for diffrent reasons but i've learned alot this offseason about the suns and about the players. I learned Joe Johnson is a real jerk he really dosen't care about playing on a winning team he went to the Hawks for god sake..He just cares about the money which is quite sad. I respect the Spurs for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only.
1.All of the players are team first..as much as a hate Bowen and Manu i realize they play together as a team
2.There winners..although i don't like how they win sometimes there winners point blank.
after this being said i can only hope for the best.I hope Amare keeps improving,I hope Steve has a few more years in him,and i hope Marion dosen't fall asleep again in the playoffs.and even if the suns become the team they were 2 years ago i will still love them because of what they did in the 04 05 season. For me they made basketball fun again. Although the saying defence wins chapionships if most likely right. I would never change the way the suns put offence first. I hope that's what they keep on doing even if tha means no championships in phoenix. i love the suns and nothing could ever change that even if Rober Sarver just broke up the team that could have won many rings.
Duncan was bailed out by Horry in Game 5.
Timmy will get more rings than Shaq and that has to eat him up inside.
Sorry, but Duncan had an accurate midrange jumpshot his rookie year. Amare has been in the league four years now and hes barely getting his jumpshot - and its nowhere near as accurate as Duncan's was.
And Duncan is so much better defensively its not even funny. He blocks more shots, theyre just not the highlight reel kind more of less, although sometimes they are. Hes much better at guarding the low post and positioning himself well. He's also one of the best big men in the league at defending smaller, faster players if hes forced to switch.
Offensively, as I said earlier he has a much better jumpshot and always has (the glass shot is basically called his shot nowadays). Hes not as fast or athletic but he has alot better dribbling skills than people give him credit for. He can dribble with either hand and even cross big men over. But just the same, hes at his deadliest in the low post. He has a small little hook with both hands, hes got excellent (some call the best) footwork and this often leads to fouls plus and1 opportunities. But he can also power it through or lay it up and hes so good at passing it out to the open man, even through double or triple teams.
But the real way I have to compare things is this: who would be better with Steve Nash... Amare, who really wasn't before Nash came to town, or Duncan, whos been able to make his own shot for years?
If Duncan were with Nash, I could see him having an MVP season... every season.
Suns will drop off a bit. I've said it before. But I honestly don't think it'll be from 3-point shooting. They have so many weapons, including Jackson who shot 46% with the Suns last season now in a more important role.
They still have one main question, that of backup PG.
Clever, thing is, it has nothing to do with the line of mine you quoted. Point is, you have Duncan and are the champs, but that doesn't mean that all there is in the NBA. There are other great players, other great teams. Step outside your "I'm a SA fan, therefore it's all about SA" box and try reading posts and their intent, not just picking and choosing which line you want to morph into a new argument.It doesn't???
Hmm, last I checked world championships are what you mesured yourself in sports.
Phoenix its how many head coaches you can blow through in a 5 year span.
BTW, I wouldnt doubt if the Suns start out like 12-8 or 13-7 that D'Antoni is fired.
1 and a half years, thats the typical lifespan of the elusive Phoenix Suns coach.
Of course team greatness is measured by les, but are you going to say that Stockton, Malone, Barkley, Ewing, etc... all re just below great because they couldn't quite get that le? That's absurd. Absolutely the dumbest thing ever if that's what your implying.
Fact is this. Amare is significantly younger than Duncan, is entering just his fourth season as a non-prep basketball player and is already being mentioned as an MVP favorite among some (see Lindy's Mag).
The whole point wasn't who's team is best, because that's rather obvious. It wasn't who's player is currently thee best, as I've argued that Amare is no more than prolly the 10th best player in the League currently. The point was this; Duncan for 4/5, Amare for 8/12... You can choose just one. Which is it?
For short term, Duncan.
For long term, Amare.
Finally...
Again, nice to know you read posts. My claim was 30-12-3 within three years, not next year. Again, take off the GD horse blinders. It's OK to understand. Really...
Take off the rose colored glasses. Amare scored 26 points on a team that TOTALLY dominated on the perimeter, leaving the lane basically empty. His post game is lukewarm at best. His best bet is a jumper, or an allez-oop. We'll see how good he really is this year, without the blanket of shooters to protect him. Expect to see a LOT of ball denial and double and even triple teams. As for the rebounding, that's pie in the sky. He's averaged under 9 a game for his 4 year career, and it's pretty consistant numbers, not an upward trend, although I will give you that there WILL be a lot of missed 3s for him to clean up, if he has the desire. He hasn't shown that in 4 years, though.
My guess for his numbers this year: 22 and 9.
What, exactly, about how the Spurs win is so troubling to you?
I'm honestly curious about that as well as the other stuff I asked about.
wow this guy really has a superiority complex... you talk so condescending. maybe if you treated everyone on the same level as yourself and stop implying everyone is stupid, you'll get more discussing and less arguing.
I would say the Manu flopping, but it's legal and therefore shouldn't be held against him or the team. It is a sneaky and even semi-dirty tactic, but I love Ginobili and would welcome such as a Sun, so I cannot condemn it as a Spur.
No need for civility when quotes are misused, ignored and taken out of context. Try not to be so Michael freakin' Moore next time...
Nothing personal, It'll all be forgotten by my next post, so long as it's dropped and left to die out.
I've never understood what's dirty about flopping. You may not like it, for whatever reason, but there's nothing about it that even comes close to violating any rules. If it's a flop, the official retains the right to call a foul on the flopper or to make no call. If a player flops he can hurt his own team as much as the other team. What about that is dirty?
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