Mavs: Kareem on Dirk: "One trick pony"

[Killakobe81]

That's terribly ironic coming from a guy who had one shot in his arsenal... Kareem is the ultimate one-trick pony.

You niccas know nothing if yiu think the sky hook is all Kareem had. He was a better fefender, passer and rebounder than Dirk and had more rhan a hook shot on offense.
Dirk is not a one trick pony he was also a good rebounder

[ambchang]

Duncan is the most Kareem like big tbh. Cerebral introverts. Kareem was more dominant though but Duncan did more with less. no shock he would favor a middle class man's version of himself Jordan does the same thing with Kobe ...

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

[ambchang]

Dirk responds.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14...one-trick-pony

[DMC]

Kareem means Dirk would be in the top few if he had more facets to his game. As good as his shot is/was, Dirk wasn't a point of concern at the other end for the opponent. Guys coming into the league need to hear that. They need to hear a legend say that another legend could have been better if he played defense. Kareem acknowledged the scoring, and Dirk is from the "scoring is dominant" generation that still exits today. Leonard is a throwback, a capable scorer with the best defense in the league.

[DMC]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

Everything Mike does is about Mike. He's his own ambassador. Propping up Kobe is propping up someone who was compared to you "hey he looks a bit like me so he's my favorite". Duncan's position and game was nothing like Mike's so there obviously was no comparison made. Kobe does the same thing. He props Westbrook who's a ball hog and chucker in the mold of Kobe himself.

[ambchang]

Everything Mike does is about Mike. He's his own ambassador. Propping up Kobe is propping up someone who was compared to you "hey he looks a bit like me so he's my favorite". Duncan's position and game was nothing like Mike's so there obviously was no comparison made. Kobe does the same thing. He props Westbrook who's a ball hog and chucker in the mold of Kobe himself.

Exactly. But Kobe fanbois are too blinded to care.

It's ok Mike said Kobe is 2nd best, cuz Kobe has been 2nd his entire life anyways (except bricks)

[RsxPiimp]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

[Killakobe81]

Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

Huh? dont agree, but don't care enough to argue ...

[buttsR4rebounding]

We have a better chance at making the playoffs than you do winning the Finals.

Even if you put the chances of the Spurs winning the le at 10% it is a of a lot higher than the <1% chance of the Lakers making the playoffs (barring a season-ending injury to Kobe, of course)

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Duncan is more Russell than Kareem. Even more bird than Kareem. Funny how the Celtics kept whining than he should have been drafted by them.

Jordan's preference has always been backhanded. It's odd nobody ever really read between the lines.

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

[Leetonidas]

Kareems answer is somewhat dubious. We say that Russell had a better career than Wilt because he won more les. We say Wilt was a better player due to his better stats. One could conclude the same with Kobe and Jim except Kobe has as many les as Jim... he has more Finals appearances than Jim. He is higher up on all the all-time lists in stats. And Kobe dominated Jim head to head. What we should take from that interview according to Kareem is, Kobe's teams were more dominant than Jims even though Kobe played with less talent.

except Tim has more fmvps and MVPs so your argument is

[Leetonidas]

also lol at Kareem talking about Dirk when he wasnt known as a defensive player except being tall and he had to piggy back big O and magic to les. lol getting your pushed in by old ass wilt

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also lol at Kareem talking about Dirk when he wasnt known as a defensive player except being tall and he had to piggy back big O and magic to les. lol getting your pushed in by old ass wilt

- "I do believe you're talking out your ass there, Red."

- "Floyd" - 'The Shawshank Redemption"

[Joseph Kony]

- "I do believe you're talking out your ass there, Red."

- "Floyd" - 'The Shawshank Redemption"

not known as =/= sucks ass

[ambchang]

You really have an issue. I feel for you, but I am no social worker, so I can't help you with it.

Huh? dont agree, but don't care enough to argue ...

Which part? Duncan more Bird/Russell than Kareem? Or Jordan is a self-centred sociopath?

[ambchang]

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

However bad Russell was at that, Kareem was 10x worse.

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However bad Russell was at that, Kareem was 10x worse.

Russell was a negroe man.

Kareem was Malcolm X.

[Kawhitstorm]

He became a well-rounded player in his prime, doing whatever was needed to win.

Became well-rounded b/c he was hiding behind Tyson Chandler/Marion/Kidd on defense & hasn't won a playoff series since Tyson Chandler left town in 2011 (only Finals MVP in NBA history to have suffered that fate without retiring) b/c teams tore up the Mavs in the paint during their last 3 postseason series:
-2012: Harden murdered Dirk on PnRs
-2013: Missed the postseason
-2014: Tiago looked like Amare while being guarded by Dirk
-2015: Josh Smith looked like LeBron while being guarded by Dirk (washed up Tyson Chandler was busy dealing w/ Dwight)

Oh yeah, 2010 (pre-Chandler): Got upset by the 7th seed Spurs w/ George Hill starting for Porker.

Conclusion: Dirk hasn't won shyt without PRIME Chandler in the past decade (besides 2011, he hasn't gotten out of the 2nd rd since 2006).

[ambchang]

Russell was a negroe man.

Kareem was Malcolm X.

Russell actually fought for rights, Kareem was just aloof.

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Russell actually fought for rights, Kareem was just aloof.

Yeah, we found that out in the '90's. I suppose we could believe it.

Kareem seethed as he cooked in the caudron and punished Media by not interviewing from it.

[Killakobe81]

You really have an issue. I feel for you, but I am no social worker, so I can't help you with it.



Which part? Duncan more Bird/Russell than Kareem? Or Jordan is a self-centred sociopath?

Gamewise and demeanor he is more Kareem. He doesnt have Bird's vision nor swagger. I do think Duncan may be the better leader than Kareem and a better scorer than Russell.

[Arcadian]

Became well-rounded b/c he was hiding behind Tyson Chandler/Marion/Kidd on defense

All great players need the right pieces around them to win les, even Duncan and Lebron and Jordan. I do agree that Dirk isn't as good of a franchise piece as those guys, though, for sure. I also prefer 2-way players.

[Arcadian]

You niccas know nothing if yiu think the sky hook is all Kareem had. He was a better fefender, passer and rebounder than Dirk and had more rhan a hook shot on offense.
Dirk is not a one trick pony he was also a good rebounder

If we did a quan ative analysis of Kareem's shots, what percentage of his shots do you think were sky hooks? I'm betting something like 90%.

You're right that he was a great 2-way player, though. I was just calling him a one-trick pony on offense. But I'm also not ting on Kareem. I'm a fan of Kareem. Best Laker of all time IMO.

[DMC]

A rare, cogent point by amb.

Both have that same cold heart, an unfeeling soul that's never warmed. Both nurtured by men who held/hold on to every trespass ever made upon them & theirs. Both portend to not tote up ciphers, examine box scores and pick apart NBA Guides/Internet, but, it's a lie.

Both have taken your cookie multiple times.

[Killakobe81]

If we did a quan ative analysis of Kareem's shots, what percentage of his shots do you think were sky hooks? I'm betting something like 90%.

You're right that he was a great 2-way player, though. I was just calling him a one-trick pony on offense. But I'm also not ting on Kareem. I'm a fan of Kareem. Best Laker of all time IMO.

90% ... seriously?