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    LOL and your friend that believed that is burning oil at 30K. People put way too much faith in the synthetic oil hype.
    http://www.carproblemzoo.com/chevrol...l-problems.php

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    Illiterate Winehole trollin' on a Monday.
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    Oh my! eighteen people reported problems!
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    Well at least you have finally just given in and embraced being a piece of trumper
    Oh look, Spurs Homer signed into his rage account.

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    my list of alts keeps growing!

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    my list of alts keeps growing!
    And I've fat fingers because I'm DMC. Of course you already know that since you're keeping tabs on me.

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    And I've fat fingers because I'm DMC. Of course you already know that since you're keeping tabs on me.
    ...and you support white supremacy

    this we know.

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    ...and you support white supremacy

    this we know.
    Rattling off tenants of your cult doesnt make your LOLies true.

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    The reality is that if GM needs to ramp up production on any parts, China is the place to do it, tbh... both from a speed and economics sense...

    With the current standards of living (applies to both Canada and the US), we're just not compe ive.

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    It's not a taxes problem either (see Foxconn). It's a labor and logistics issue. China has dormant factories they can spin up and ramp up production at any time, and labor is much, much cheaper and willing to work many hours.

    The rest of the world has pretty much forego manufacturing hoping one day Chinese workers become too rich/expensive and the tide turns, but with their government manipulating the Yuan and controlling the actual money that reaches the worker's pockets, it's not happening.

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    The idea that because GM got a bailout with no strings attached 10 years ago we should expect it to now act against the best interest of its shareholders by avoiding layoffs is ludicrous. If the US wanted to make sure people at GM would keep their jobs then it should have been a condition as part of the bailout (that one's on Obama & Bush, not Trump). The plans GM announced yesterday were received very well by the markets, which means GM made the correct decision.

    Corporations are always going to do what's best for the bottom line, not because they're "evil" and not because they don't care about their employees, but because they have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. This is why the Conservative wet dream that deregulation will somehow lead to corporations being more charitable and voluntarily giving more money to employees and less money to shareholders is re ed.

    IMO Chucho is dead on that the right move was not bailing GM out at all. Giving bailout money to banks to avoid complete calamity in the financial markets made sense (the terms were way too generous though), but bailing out a car manufacturer that produces an inferior product and has underfunded its pension plan for decades while letting god knows how many small businesses die during the financial crisis is a stupid way to interfere with the marketplace.

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    The idea that because GM got a bailout with no strings attached 10 years ago we should expect it to now act against the best interest of its shareholders by avoiding layoffs is ludicrous. If the US wanted to make sure people at GM would keep their jobs then it should have been a condition as part of the bailout (that one's on Obama & Bush, not Trump). The plans GM announced yesterday were received very well by the markets, which means GM made the correct decision.

    Corporations are always going to do what's best for the bottom line, not because they're "evil" and not because they don't care about their employees, but because they have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders. This is why the Conservative wet dream that deregulation will somehow lead to corporations being more charitable and voluntarily giving more money to employees and less money to shareholders is re ed.

    IMO Chucho is dead on that the right move was not bailing GM out at all. Giving bailout money to banks to avoid complete calamity in the financial markets made sense (the terms were way too generous though), but bailing out a car manufacturer that produces an inferior product and has underfunded its pension plan for decades while letting god knows how many small businesses die during the financial crisis is a stupid way to interfere with the marketplace.

    The worst part of bailing the banks out was that funds were allocated to pay Executives bonuses and those bonuses are/were huge. The Execs that created the need for the bailout were rewarded instead of terminated.

    Ashes make great a great fertilizer component and new business will always rise from those ashes and faulty/shoddy/eroded ins utions burn fastest and best to let those fires burn out themselves and the bail out funds, in the case of the financial ins utions should have been controlled almost fully by the Government while GM and the other domestic auto makers should have been left to die and the salvagers would have taken what's left and made the most of it.

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    Cut their subsidies and they'll cut more jobs.

    Good thinking.

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    "It doesn't make sense"

    Hey Dan, could you clarify what that means?

    "It just doesn't make sense"

    Thanks Dan.

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    "It doesn't make sense"

    Hey Dan, could you clarify what that means?

    "It just doesn't make sense"

    Thanks Dan.
    You asking for someone else to clarify is rich

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    The worst part of bailing the banks out was that funds were allocated to pay Executives bonuses and those bonuses are/were huge. The Execs that created the need for the bailout were rewarded instead of terminated.

    Ashes make great a great fertilizer component and new business will always rise from those ashes and faulty/shoddy/eroded ins utions burn fastest and best to let those fires burn out themselves and the bail out funds, in the case of the financial ins utions should have been controlled almost fully by the Government while GM and the other domestic auto makers should have been left to die and the salvagers would have taken what's left and made the most of it.
    The problem with the banks was that Bernanke & Paulson required all of the big ones to take bailout money when some of them (i.e. Goldman and Wells Fargo) didn't need or want any bailout money. They couldn't tell that there would be conditions tied to the money they didn't need but were told they needed to take.

    As you said, the right move would have been a full blown government takeover of banks like Citi/other ins utions like AIG that needed a bailout and firing the people who ed up. If you require a government bailout then you should lose the ability to make your own decisions.

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    This guy's stuff is funny. Mahk.

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