Trade results thread

[DPG21920]

That's the Spurs fan in you talking. The knowledgeable, rationale part, knows better.

The Raptors have a young cornerstone player, 2 other young building blocks and then essentially a blank canvas to go one of two ways.

Sure, they more than likely won't land a difference maker in '20 free agency, but they'll still be relatively promising, flexible and have the reputation as one of the more desirable franchises in the league.

The Spurs have none of those things going for them.

You are overrating their youth tremendously. While Siakam has been a revelation, OG has been a pretty big disappointment and has not made the leap people expected.

McCaw is nothing special. Van Fleet is average and already got paid. I would take SAs young core as a whole over TORs despite the fact Siakam is damn good.

They have been a playoff team for years now. If they lose Kawhi (and maybe Danny) they are going to be in a precarious situation. I don’t disagree that they might be able to recoup some draft capital but it’s not like Ibaka, Lowry or anyone else is more valuable than LMA or DeRozan.

They have not been able to attract free agents. If you are a playoff team for years, make a bold trade (which I loved for them) but then have to go into rebuild mode after due to the ramifications? Yeah. That’s not a win. Even if everyone understands that the risk was worth it.

Meanwhile SA is on way more solid playoff footing than them moving forward, have better youth too, have better assets to “rebuild” than TOR (LMA + DeRozan > Ibaka + Lowry) and have more draft capital.

Unless Kawhi stays and/or they pull off some really stellar trades and nail draft picks they could be in a bind.

Also you can’t count Gasol as an asset for them. He would have to opt-in for that to be possible. I could see a situation where Kawhi leaving pushes them to overpay Danny and Gasol too and while they would be a playoff team they would be in a precarious spot.

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You are overrating their youth tremendously. While Siakam has been a revelation, OG has been a pretty big disappointment and has not made the leap people expected.

McCaw is nothing special. Van Fleet is average and already got paid. I would take SAs young core as a whole over TORs despite the fact Siakam is damn good.

They have been a playoff team for years now. If they lose Kawhi (and maybe Danny) they are going to be in a precarious situation. I don’t disagree that they might be able to recoup some draft capital but it’s not like Ibaka, Lowry or anyone else is more valuable than LMA or DeRozan.

They have not been able to attract free agents. If you are a playoff team for years, make a bold trade (which I loved for them) but then have to go into rebuild mode after due to the ramifications? Yeah. That’s not a win. Even if everyone understands that the risk was worth it.

Meanwhile SA is on way more solid playoff footing than them moving forward, have better youth too, have better assets to “rebuild” than TOR (LMA + DeRozan > Ibaka + Lowry) and have more draft capital.

Unless Kawhi stays and/or they pull off some really stellar trades and nail draft picks they could be in a bind.

Anunoby is 21 and has been dealing with a personal matter on and off all season. Even if he never gets significantly better, he'll still be a valuable role player and the most difficult type to find going forward.

Spurs have better depth of young talent, but none are definitive cornerstones at this time and only Walker looks like the rough outline of one. Siakam already is, so for now it's edge Raptors.

You missed the point about Lowry, Gasol, Ibaka. It's that if they decide to trade them, they'll close the gap in depth between the Spurs' youth and the Raptors youth. The Spurs aren't trading Aldridge or DeRozan unless they request one, which is unlikely.

But they don't have to go into re-build mode. They could keep the aforementioned 3, either re-sign Green or sign some veteran wing in free agency and still probably finish with a top 4 seed and Conference-Semis appearance. That's about the Spurs' ceiling for next season.

The Spurs aren't on solid playoff footing at all. Just as easily as they could be a top 4 seed next season, they could miss the playoffs entirely.

[gambit1990]

Let's see how they view the trade come July.

even if kawhi bolts the raps still got DDR off the books.

[DPG21920]

We shall see. I hope Kawhi stays in TOR. Not only would it reward TOR for a bold move but it would be another blow to these other coward teams that missed their chance at a great player because they wanted to play the leverage game.

But if you have two teams that lose Kawhi, I think SA checks every box better than TOR: playoff footing next couple of years, ability to blow it up and get more draft assets, already a better young nucleus and maybe the best drafting FO which is critical no matter the strategy

[DPG21920]

even if kawhi bolts the raps still got DDR off the books.

That does nothing for them in the event Kawhi leaves. Nothing. Even with money they aren’t attractive to FA better than DeRozan anyways. SA even with LMA + DeRozan are a couple small moves from having equal cap space to TOR assuming BOTH Kawhi and Gasol leave.

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We shall see. I hope Kawhi stays in TOR. Not only would it reward TOR for a bold move but it would be another blow to these other coward teams that missed their chance at a great player because they wanted to play the leverage game.

But if you have two teams that lose Kawhi, I think SA checks every box better than TOR: playoff footing next couple of years, ability to blow it up and get more draft assets, already a better young nucleus and maybe the best drafting FO which is critical no matter the strategy

I don't get why any Spurs fan would want him to stay. It'll only makes the trade look even worse. Not only that, but it'll probably mean they had a successful playoff run.

The only salvation for the Spurs, is him leaving and/or lucking into a star with probably the 29th pick.

I also don't get why you think Gasol could leave. He'll likely only opt out to secure a 2-3 year deal from them.

[DPG21920]

I don't get why any Spurs fan would want him to stay. It'll only makes the trade look even worse. Not only that, but it'll probably mean they had a successful playoff run.

The only salvation for the Spurs, is him leaving and/or lucking into a star with probably the 29th pick.

I also don't get why you think Gasol could leave. He'll likely only opt out to secure a 2-3 year deal from them.

The trade is done - who cares what people think in hindsight. Him staying in TOR does nothing to change SA outlook. I want him to stay for the reasons I stated.

If Kawhi goes, I can see Gasol going. He’s a FA if he opts out and can choose where he wants to go. Like I said though, I can see Kawhi leaving and TOR panicking and overpaying Gasol so they don’t lose too much “talent”.

[Shakril]

I dont get why people think this was a bad trade for the spurs. Noone actually thought they get so much as they did.

[Fusternino]

The Gasol trade is also really starting to look like a bust.

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We shall see. I hope Kawhi stays in TOR. Not only would it reward TOR for a bold move but it would be another blow to these other coward teams that missed their chance at a great player because they wanted to play the leverage game.

But if you have two teams that lose Kawhi, I think SA checks every box better than TOR: playoff footing next couple of years, ability to blow it up and get more draft assets, already a better young nucleus and maybe the best drafting FO which is critical no matter the strategy

[slick'81]

Poodle power is on hold atm

[gambit1990]

this:

The Spurs are in purgatory, with an expensive, aging core that's not good enough to contend, zero definitive elite prospects (we'll see about Walker) and an awkward, ill-fitting, mismatched roster. So what if they're slightly better than the Raptors over the next few seasons? The end game will be similar.