We need a strategy to “open” the country now!

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Social distancing, yes. Lockdown, no.

(They'll)+MSM will fight for lockdown till the last man standing, then retreat a ways and set up the last stand of (social distancing). By then Biden will be 46 and it'll be like when Lincoln freed the slaves. They'll be jobs right up the 6% line and a cornucopia on every table. A miracle. Just-like-that. They'll be no more bad news. Just good news. And the old bad news? Well, that'll be all the sudden good news.

[midnightpulp]

"Young people should go back to working now to protect our businesses and retirement accounts."

Signed, Boomers.

Not really. Trump has actually lost favor with older voters.



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...e-seniors.html

Honestly, most of the people whining about "Freedumbs" on Twitter and the like tend to be your older Millennial and Gen-Xer Libertarian "techbros." Or dip incels and alt-righters raised on 4chan memes.

Take a look at these polls. 18-49 actually express the highest disapproval for Fauci and more support for Trump over Biden in handling the economy. And "Generation Jones" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones) expresses a lot of favorability for Trump, as well.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=3658

[SnakeBoy]

The common sense seems to be, following the lead of other countries, that when the caseload goes down for two weeks or so, it's reasonably safe to start normalizing, provided there's robust testing and social tracing to contain subsequent outbreaks.

Mitigation needs to be pursued until containment becomes technically doable. For the US that's probably a matter of a few months, not two years. There will be backsliding, CDC has already warned of a second, more destructive wave in the fall.

So the common sense thing to do is what we are doing by reopening the economy in steps.

Containment will never be technically doable. China saw to that.

[Winehole23]

So the common sense thing to do is what we are doing by reopening the economy in steps.

Without adequate testing and social tracing,
the economy might not revive. The pandemic will wreck us and people will continue to stay at home.

Containment will never be technically doable. China saw to that.

South Korea did it.

You think it's not doable here, once we establish a tolerable plateau of cases?

Why not?

[David Hogg]

So the common sense thing to do is what we are doing by reopening the economy in steps.

Containment will never be technically doable. China saw to that.

When all else fails, blame China

[Spurtacular]

If you listen to the mainstream media you get the impression that we’re all supposed to just sit in our homes for the next 12 months until there is a vaccine or until we can all get tested multiple times per day which isn’t going to happen any time soon.

I think it starts with allowing younger people with no known health complications to start opening up the economy now and begin building herd immunity. Some of what is being said by the far right is irresponsible but the far left is being irresponsible in the opposite direction.

The Hitler youth get to go outside!

Stick to the ankle biting, bruh.

[vy65]

There's some truth to the OP. The common refrain is that there is a strategy: level off for two weeks + ramp up testing + ins ute contact tracing. If that's what needs to be done, then it should be done. The problem is that our, as mid put it, 3rd world leaders are too busy putting together stupid ing videos about how great they are and playing them at press conferences rather than doing the things we need to do to achieve these three items. Is there an actual plan to ramp up testing? All I've seen is DJT claiming its the states responsibility and then throwing 25 billion at it. I don't see how that gets it done. Same could be said about contact tracing: what tangible steps are we taking to make that a reality?

This all goes to show that America, right now, is a failed state. That starts with the gross inep ude of our leadership. This is why I'm in favor of curtailing the franchise - this pandemic really goes to show that some moron obsessed with benghazi and her emails can, when joined with millions of his mouth breathing brethren, decimate the country.

[vy65]

America is a third world country, and people don't recognise it... and I think that that's pretty god damn sad, that they don't recognise their own country as a third world, third rate, third class slum

[baseline bum]

I think lots of us recognize the US is a failed nation. But most of us don't live in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania and thus our voices don't matter.

[vy65]

I think lots of us recognize the US is a failed nation. But most of us don't live in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania and thus our voices don't matter.

That's why there have to be restrictions on who can vote. If some mouth breathing jeebo from Jacksonville, FL has a greater say on who leads the country compared to any other non-re ed citizen, then the system is ed. I know that's not saying anything we don't already know, but one hopeful silver lining in this is that some things actually do change.

[Spurminator]

Not really. Trump has actually lost favor with older voters.



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...e-seniors.html

Honestly, most of the people whining about "Freedumbs" on Twitter and the like tend to be your older Millennial and Gen-Xer Libertarian "techbros." Or dip incels and alt-righters raised on 4chan memes.

Take a look at these polls. 18-49 actually express the highest disapproval for Fauci and more support for Trump over Biden in handling the economy. And "Generation Jones" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones) expresses a lot of favorability for Trump, as well.

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release...ReleaseID=3658

I was specifically referencing the Dan Patricks and FOX News types who keep talking about the stalling of the economy being worse than death itself, while they hole up in their bunkers demanding that people go back to work, and the OP specifying young people going back out first. That may not have been his meaning but I thought it was apropos.

I agree there's plenty of stupid at all ages with respect to the quarantine. The younger portion of the "get back to normal" contingent seems to be upset more on a social level... ie, they want to be able to go to bars and restaurants and Tinder dates again. Or in the case of incels, they want to know that they could possibly go to bars and restaurants if they could ever get the courage to be around women. It's not really better or worse than demanding that we rush back to our duties serving Big Business, it's just a different message.

[Play Boban]

Not protesting in a group of hundreds?

I am now. I had to get my supersized Whataburger first. Brought food for the whole crowd before we drove down to Austin. Liberate Texas! Remember the Alamo!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

I am now. I had to get my supersized Whataburger first. Brought food for the whole crowd before we drove down to Austin. Liberate Texas! Remember the Alamo!!!!

Take time coded picture and post it here.

[Winehole23]

Owners bunkering down while exposing their employees and their families to hazard is paradigmatic.

Braving sickness and death to make your boss rich, that's the American way.

[spurraider21]

Owners bunkering down while exposing their employees and their families to hazard is paradigmatic.

Braving sickness and death to male your boss rich, that's the American way.

well, she didnt say "i have a family" in the sense that she cant risk getting sick, but went on to say that she cooks daily, etc, and doesnt have the luxury of spending every weeknight in a casino

[ChumpDumper]

[Winehole23]

well, she didnt say "i have a family" in the sense that she cant risk getting sick, but went on to say that she cooks daily, etc, and doesnt have the luxury of spending every weeknight in a casino

That's a distinction without much of a difference. She can afford to stay home, and she will be exposing her workers to danger by reopening in a pandemic.

[spurraider21]

That's a distinction without much of a difference. She can afford to stay home, and she will be exposing her workers to danger by reopening in a pandemic.

i think there's a difference, if the implication is "i cant go there because i cant risk getting sick" vs "i cant go there because somebody has to cook dinner"

might not be a practical difference when it comes to casino workers, but there is certainly a difference if you are using her comments to gauge her motive/empathy

[Winehole23]

i think there's a difference, if the implication is "i cant go there because i cant risk getting sick" vs "i cant go there because somebody has to cook dinner"

might not be a practical difference when it comes to casino workers, but there is certainly a difference if you are using her comments to gauge her motive/empathy

What she's proposing is greedy and immoral regardless.

[Thread]

What she's proposing is greedy and immoral regardless.

...under Trump's Presidency, you little pipsqueak, you.

[Winehole23]

...under Trump's Presidency, you little pipsqueak, you.

I said regardless, I meant regardless. Would be no different under any other President.

[midnightpulp]

I was specifically referencing the Dan Patricks and FOX News types who keep talking about the stalling of the economy being worse than death itself, while they hole up in their bunkers demanding that people go back to work, and the OP specifying young people going back out first. That may not have been his meaning but I thought it was apropos.

I agree there's plenty of stupid at all ages with respect to the quarantine. The younger portion of the "get back to normal" contingent seems to be upset more on a social level... ie, they want to be able to go to bars and restaurants and Tinder dates again. Or in the case of incels, they want to know that they could possibly go to bars and restaurants if they could ever get the courage to be around women. It's not really better or worse than demanding that we rush back to our duties serving Big Business, it's just a different message.

Yeah, I intuited that. I just found the polls interesting and thought I'd share. And even though we debated about generations vs. generations, I really do think the "generational divide" is largely bull , and people are more divided by their politics and culture than what year they were born (I think where you were born has a bigger influence on worldview than when). The left/right split seems to evenly distributed across all age groups for the most part.

[DMX7]

The Hitler youth get to go outside!

Stick to the ankle biting, bruh.

You make no sense.

[Blake]

As a young healthy person I would go out there right now. Stop being scared smh! Liberate Texas!

Are you never around any senior citizens?

[DMX7]

Exhibit A ^

Yes - you are right - you are young and healthy and there is ZERO chance you will become infected -


please go out there and be courageous - the SCIENCE - be damned!

People like that have a high chance of not even having symptoms even if they are infected. I’ll take my chances TBH...