Unemployment Rate Hits 14.7%, Worst Since Great Depression

[Chucho]

By implementing a safety net like FDR did. Wouldn't have done a corporate bailout like Trump did without at least getting a temporary UBI in for the people.

Also had FDR deserves credit even if you say it was only WWII that lifted the nation up. Had he lost that 1940 election the Brits would have been speaking German. The GOP all over FDR for supplying aid to Great Brittain and the 1940 campaign was the GOP saying FDR will get your kids killed fighting in a European war we had no business being in. Cracks me up seeing conservatives always elevate Churchill when they wanted us to be Chamberlain back then.

Safety net, I agree.

You're synopsis of WW2 I don't buy fully, but shows how much more impact the war had in taking us out of the Depression, which was my original point.

Also, isolation was working for us and no one really knew what our manufacturing capacity was if we did decided to go to war.

And, in regards to the Conservatives at ude changes, yeah, that will happen when you get ing bombed by another enemy. Is that not a justifiable enough reason to change moods?

Not laughing at you, but it gave me a chukle to see a Dem chastise the Cons for not wanting a war for a change.

[Chucho]

*decide

[elbamba1]

By implementing a safety net like FDR did. Wouldn't have done a corporate bailout like Trump did without at least getting a temporary UBI in for the people.

Also had FDR deserves credit even if you say it was only WWII that lifted the nation up. Had he lost that 1940 election the Brits would have been speaking German. The GOP all over FDR for supplying aid to Great Brittain and the 1940 campaign was the GOP saying FDR will get your kids killed fighting in a European war we had no business being in. Cracks me up seeing conservatives always elevate Churchill when they wanted us to be Chamberlain back then.

Most Americans didn't want to be involved in the War. Roosevelt even campaigned on a promise that he would not send American boys into any foreign war. The GOP was divided on sending aid to GB with their three main candidates taking a different lane. That is ultimately why Willkie got the nomination over the other more established and well-known politicians. Certainly the New Deal helped in bringing an end to the Great Depression, but there were other factors that played major roles in bringing it to an end as well.

[baseline bum]

Safety net, I agree.

You're synopsis of WW2 I don't buy fully, but shows how much more impact the war had in taking us out of the Depression, which was my original point.

Also, isolation was working for us and no one really knew what our manufacturing capacity was if we did decided to go to war.

And, in regards to the Conservatives at ude changes, yeah, that will happen when you get ing bombed by another enemy. Is that not a justifiable enough reason to change moods?

Not laughing at you, but it gave me a chukle to see a Dem chastise the Cons for not wanting a war for a change.

If China tried to invade Great Brittain I'd want war then too. But my biggest concerns right now are the following:

1. Trump's attempt at ACA invalidation through a very conservative supereme court. I'm not so much worried about it for myself as I am my parents. Because the ACA closes the donut hole in Medicare Part D's drug coverage, and if that reopens it's going to be catastrophic for many seniors who take any kind of expensive drugs.

2. My mom's Medicare Part G premium is likely to jump from $115 a month to around $450 a month. My dad's from $150 a month to $600 a month, based on projections I have seen for health insurance after COVID. If my mom misses even one month of payment on that now it becomes legal for insurance companies to deny her or charge her higher rates on past medical history, as you only get guaranteed issuance during your initial Medicare signup period. We already know Trump isn't going to do for people who are going to get squeezed by this next year, but Bernie and probably even Biden would give some kind of subsidy to keep seniors on their Medicare supplements.

3. Trump's insistence on slashing the payroll tax is a pretty thinly veiled attack on Medicare and Social Security. Pisses me off paying into both of these and possibly having them having them ripped from me to pay for the $3.2 trillion Trump corporate blowjob that mostly went to stock buybacks. Sanders wouldn't do it, and I doubt Biden would kill off Medicare and SS either.

[Spurminator]

Eyeyup.

So I guess my point is, for all of the anecdotes about how people are staying unemployed because of the stimulus, most of those are probably bull .

I have no doubt some people are gaming the system, but if the system were followed correctly by employers, it would prevent people from collecting UB while refusing to work.

[boutons_deux]

So I guess my point is, for all of the anecdotes about how people are staying unemployed because of the stimulus, most of those are probably bull .

I have no doubt some people are gaming the system, but if the system were followed correctly by employers, it would prevent people from collecting UB while refusing to work.

I'm sure, starting with Lindsay Graham, that the propagandists pushing the "they are not working because of $15/hour pays them to stay home" are the very same propaganda spewers who refuse to increase the Fed minimum or to increase it to $15+ /hour.

But they have NOTHING to say about 43,000 millionaires taking avg of $1.6M from the stimulus.

[spurraider21]

the notion that a program shouldnt exist because some people will try to exploit it is frankly absurd.

[Spurminator]

the notion that a program shouldnt exist because some people will try to exploit it is frankly absurd.

But people are buying shrimp with food stamps!

[ElNono]

But people are buying shrimp with food stamps!

Those democrats geniuses... smh

[spurraider21]

dont worry guys the dow is doing ok

[Nathan89]

Any disincentive is temporary, considering the national emergency. I don't know why you seem upset that workers have some degree of temporary leverage so they can make the best decision for themselves and their families, tbh

Again, not surprising to see Republicans working for their corporate overlords and ting on the little guy.

The purpose of giving people money is not to give them leverage. They don't need more money than they were making to not go to work. They don't even need as much money as they were making because they don't have the expenses they had when everything was open. For example, their gas expense has plummeted, their entertainment (movies, sports, bars, etc) has plummeted, they don't need to purchase out to eat food because they are at home, etc. Stop trying to defend this absolute bull .

[ChumpDumper]

The purpose of giving people money is not to give them leverage. They don't need more money than they were making to not go to work. They don't even need as much money as they were making because they don't have the expenses they had when everything was open. For example, their gas expense has plummeted, their entertainment (movies, sports, bars, etc) has plummeted, they don't need to purchase out to eat food because they are at home, etc. Stop trying to defend this absolute bull .

your selective outrage

[Nathan89]

your selective outrage

The outrage is over the spin in here to defend this tbh.

[ChumpDumper]

The outrage is over the spin in here to defend this tbh.

Sure, that's what you should be upset about during this pandemic.

[Nathan89]

I'm sure, starting with Lindsay Graham, that the propagandists pushing the "they are not working because of $15/hour pays them to stay home" are the very same propaganda spewers who refuse to increase the Fed minimum or to increase it to $15+ /hour.

But they have NOTHING to say about 43,000 millionaires taking avg of $1.6M from the stimulus.

Damn, that's a big check for the millionaires. Did President Trump sign them?

[Spurminator]

The purpose of giving people money is not to give them leverage. They don't need more money than they were making to not go to work. They don't even need as much money as they were making because they don't have the expenses they had when everything was open. For example, their gas expense has plummeted, their entertainment (movies, sports, bars, etc) has plummeted, they don't need to purchase out to eat food because they are at home, etc. Stop trying to defend this absolute bull .

If you are offered a job and you refuse it, you do not qualify for unemployment.

Your outrage, as usual, is based on ignorance.