Dirty Mexicans

[Millennial_Messiah]

H1Bs are exactly for high paying jobs where there's not enough Americans to fulfill the position. The scam with H1Bs is consulting companies hiring H1Bs and not paying them top dollar, while subcontracting to companies that pay the consulting companies top dollar.

The vast majority of these consulting companies also provide outsourcing.

And yeah, this is another area where both conservative and liberals have been pretty silent about.

Bull- ing-horse manure. There are PLENTY of Americans with college degrees, ready to fulfill the positions instead of graduating only to move back home (because not enough open jobs in their field) and tirelessly applying to such jobs but all to no avail because they just filled the position with someone H1B from India instead who has 15 years of "experience" (but in India, so they shouldn't count that). Why not hire them instead of bringing those disgusting stink pots from South Asia to half-ass their job for a pretty penny?

The Hispanic immigrants that a lot of people complain about, both conservatives and liberals, tend to be good individuals. They'll work for $11/hour, bust their ass on the job, feed their families, mow your front and back lawn for a mere $15, shake your hand, and make you free tacos on their own dime. You know? Because they're just good people like that.

The disgusting H1B Indians on the other hand? They won't work for a penny less than what they think is their (high) market value, they don't show up until 10:30 a.m., they half-ass their job, and instead of free tacos and a warm smile they'll charge you an arm and a leg for greasy, smelly Indian food and curtly stare at you until you're *safely* out of their *comfort zone*. Nothing with them ever comes for free. Why? Because they're greedy pigs like that. It's firmly embedded in their culture. They don't care about interpersonal relationships the way Hispanics or Americans do. They only care about their own families and their caste and saving face. Selfish, greedy, xenophobic assholes. They don't deserve to be in corporate American offices, no sir.

They should have been kicked out of the country (all of them) immediately in 2017, day 1 of Trump's presidency. You better believe that I'm pissed off at Trump over that. It doesn't mean I should vote for a worse solution in Biden (Schumer/Pelosi pulling the strings) because that would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yet the hypocrisy doesn’t stop you from thinking Trump is some kind of populist who gives a about making sure American jobs don’t go to illegals

Trump has screwed the pooch on a number of things and I've ranted on here about his shortcomings. He's made false promises in 2016 and since kow-towed to the establishment, the Mitch McConnell's of the country. That's not draining the swamp at all; that's feeding it.

The illegals are frankly less of a problem than the H1B's, as mentioned above multiple times. I've ranted and raved about it many times. No U.S. Citizen should graduate university and be a store-level or food worker while some disgusting smelling xenophobes get the premium C-level office jobs all because of their foreign "experience". It's sickening and some corporations need to be punished for it.

In contrast, however, Trump has done some good things for the country. Namely, getting the US and our taxpayer dollars out of the horrible, expensive, socialistic, globalistic Paris Climate accord crap, and the Iran deal which was feeding a sworn enemy funds for nuclear capability. Trump has done some things right. The 2017-18 tax bill is a mixed bag that I both like and dislike. The 2020 stimulus was a piece of and hypocritical after chastising the 2009 Obama stimulus, which was also a piece of .

I don't love Trump. He's a womanizer and the most tactless president in US history, and he's far underperformed his expectations. But, in short, a vote not for him is a vote not only for Biden, but for Schumer, Pelosi and the rest of the Dem establishment, so I'm going to hold my nose and vote Trump and hope my allergies don't flare up.

[ElNono]

Bull- ing-horse manure. There are PLENTY of Americans with college degrees, ready to fulfill the positions instead of graduating only to move back home (because not enough open jobs in their field) and tirelessly applying to such jobs but all to no avail because they just filled the position with someone H1B from India instead who has 15 years of "experience" (but in India, so they shouldn't count that). Why not hire them instead of bringing those disgusting stink pots from South Asia to half-ass their job for a pretty penny?

The Hispanic immigrants that a lot of people complain about, both conservatives and liberals, tend to be good individuals. They'll work for $11/hour, bust their ass on the job, feed their families, mow your front and back lawn for a mere $15, shake your hand, and make you free tacos on their own dime. You know? Because they're just good people like that.

The disgusting H1B Indians on the other hand? They won't work for a penny less than what they think is their (high) market value, they don't show up until 10:30 a.m., they half-ass their job, and instead of free tacos and a warm smile they'll charge you an arm and a leg for greasy, smelly Indian food and curtly stare at you until you're *safely* out of their *comfort zone*. Nothing with them ever comes for free. Why? Because they're greedy pigs like that. It's their culuture. They don't care about interpersonal relationships the way Hispanics or Americans do. They only care about their own families and their caste and saving face. Selfish, greedy, xenophobic assholes. They don't deserve to be in corporate American offices, no sir.

They should have been kicked out of the country (all of them) immediately in 2017, day 1 of Trump's presidency. You better believe that I'm pissed off at Trump over that. It doesn't mean I should vote for a worse solution in Biden (Schumer/Pelosi pulling the strings) because that would be cutting off my nose to spite my face.

Sorry to wake you up to the news, but speaking from experience, there's a lack of Americans with expertise on a number of STEM fields. Even more so in areas where outsourcing was short-lived. College kids just don't cut it out of school, they need 5-10 years of experience on the job at the very least, and those people with experience are worth a lot of money.

I do agree that it should be a very tailored program though. Arguably, there's no need right now for such a program with a 15% unemployment rate.

And we definitely need to close loopholes that abuse this program to pay lower salaries.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Sorry to wake you up to the news, but speaking from experience, there's a lack of Americans with expertise on a number of STEM fields. Even more so in areas where outsourcing was short-lived. College kids just don't cut it out of school, they need 5-10 years of experience in the job, and those people with experience are worth a lot of money.

I do agree that it should be a very tailored program though. Arguably, there's no need right now for such a program with a 15% unemployment rate.

And we definitely need to close loopholes that abuse this program to pay lower salaries.

Damn straight, and if you want me to take a screenshot of my gmail on a random Tuesday, even during the coronavirus pandemic, you'd be lucky to find 1 out of 20 names that isn't some ty Indian on a work visa.

They're taking our jobs that are remaining, even during the planned-demic. Experience? Foreign experience shouldn't count. Corporations should be punished for considering foreign experience as viable. Only U.S. experience should be factored in. If they have zero years of U.S. experience, they're on the same level as a U.S. Citizen fresh out of college in STEM, and the U.S. Citizen should get priority in this case because they are U.S. Citizens graduating from U.S. universities.

It's horse that there aren't enough US Citizens with STEM experience. There are tons, rotting away playing video games or forced into further academia when the money is for them to make high-paying wages immediately out of school. The kind of money that nets a solid down payment on a house after 6-9 months of salary, or buying the house with cash outright after 3-5 years of salary. But nope, instead corporations get the dothead xenophobes, which stink up our offices and completely wreck the social atmosphere for the few U.S. Citizens who do make it (like me).

I hate all of them and I'm going to retire the day before my 30th birthday. I'll be a millionaire by then, from W2 savings alone (!!), and tell them to off while I start my apartment complex business. They can take their H1B's and shove them up their ass and go back to India and drown in a monsoon for all I care. ing assholes. And when I'm president, the H1B won't exist, and corporations caught cir venting will be administratively forced out of business, I don't care if it's Apple or Google. Any CEOs, CTOs etc caught cheating my system will do hard prison time under my watch.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Another thing that needs to be done is legal reform. If one side (or the other) is pissed off about too many minorities being disproportionately incarcerated for longer periods of time? Fix this by regulating the law industry. Any individual or corporation can only spend a max of $X per year (a medium range, middle-class amount) on legal counsel. This bans unfair low punishment for big corporations and yacht-toting corrupt investment bankers, and unfair high punishment for the black kid across the corner caught for selling a little weed or the Hispanic illegal immigrant caught working without a work permit.

[Will Hunting]

Another thing that needs to be done is legal reform. If one side (or the other) is pissed off about too many minorities being disproportionately incarcerated for longer periods of time? Fix this by regulating the law industry. Any individual or corporation can only spend a max of $X per year (a medium range, middle-class amount) on legal counsel. This bans unfair low punishment for big corporations and yacht-toting corrupt investment bankers, and unfair high punishment for the black kid across the corner caught for selling a little weed or the Hispanic illegal immigrant caught working without a work permit.

I don’t understand how restricting dollars spent on attorneys fees has anything to do with incarceration rate.

[Millennial_Messiah]

I don’t understand how restricting dollars spent on attorneys fees has anything to do with incarceration rate.

Simple. If everyone was en led to the same quality of lawyers, wouldn't that solve the issue of $M's/$B's criminals getting off with probation and cease and desist vs. $K's and under criminals getting years in prison for selling a little coke?

[ElNono]

Damn straight, and if you want me to take a screenshot of my gmail on a random Tuesday, even during the coronavirus pandemic, you'd be lucky to find 1 out of 20 names that isn't some ty Indian on a work visa.

They're taking our jobs that are remaining, even during the planned-demic. Experience? Foreign experience shouldn't count. Corporations should be punished for considering foreign experience as viable. Only U.S. experience should be factored in. If they have zero years of U.S. experience, they're on the same level as a U.S. Citizen fresh out of college in STEM, and the U.S. Citizen should get priority in this case because they are U.S. Citizens graduating from U.S. universities.

It's horse that there aren't enough US Citizens with STEM experience. There are tons, rotting away playing video games or forced into further academia when the money is for them to make high-paying wages immediately out of school. The kind of money that nets a solid down payment on a house after 6-9 months of salary, or buying the house with cash outright after 3-5 years of salary. But nope, instead corporations get the dothead xenophobes, which stink up our offices and completely wreck the social atmosphere for the few U.S. Citizens who do make it (like me).

I hate all of them and I'm going to retire the day before my 30th birthday. I'll be a millionaire by then, from W2 savings alone (!!), and tell them to off while I start my apartment complex business. They can take their H1B's and shove them up their ass and go back to India and drown in a monsoon for all I care. ing assholes. And when I'm president, the H1B won't exist, and corporations caught cir venting will be administratively forced out of business, I don't care if it's Apple or Google. Any CEOs, CTOs etc caught cheating my system will do hard prison time under my watch.

It doesn't work like that. Look at cyberspace right now. Israel, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, all hacking the out of the US left and right.

In the company I work for (F100) our top employees both are and come from all over the world... Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Brazil, France, the UK... heck, I came to the US on a H1B visa (citizen now).

And there's also the factor you mention, a lot of these people retire early and move on to do other things, start up their own companies, and then they need experienced people.

What you're talking about indians is the consulting firm stuff I was mentioning, which is a scam. That's literally a scam, it's well known and neither this or the previous administration have cracked down on it, and the sole purpose is to drag down salaries on the code monkey jobs. It's more prevalent outside of silicon valley, though.

It also completely breaks the purpose of H1B visas, which is to bring exceptional talent.

[Will Hunting]

Simple. If everyone was en led to the same quality of lawyers, wouldn't that solve the issue of $M's/$B's criminals getting off with probation and cease and desist vs. $K's and under criminals getting years in prison for selling a little coke?

Are you saying you’d force private practice lawyers to do public defense work to? Even by your standards this is an incoherent idea that reflects a complete lack of understanding as to how the legal system works.

To answer your question, no, it wouldn’t, even setting aside how unrealistic and stupid the idea is that you could communize legal services such that the rich and the poor receive the same quality of representation.

[Millennial_Messiah]

It doesn't work like that. Look at cyberspace right now. Israel, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China, all hacking the out of the US left and right.

In the company I work for (F100) our top employees both are and come from all over the world... Netherlands, Germany, Japan, Brazil, France, the UK... heck, I came to the US on a H1B visa (citizen now).

And there's also the factor you mention, a lot of these people retire early and move on to do other things, start up their own companies, and then they need experienced people.

What you're talking about indians is the consulting firm stuff I was mentioning, which is a scam. That's literally a scam, it's well known and neither this or the previous administration have cracked down on it, and the sole purpose is to drag down salaries on the code monkey jobs. It's more prevalent outside of silicon valley, though.

It also completely breaks the purpose of H1B visas, which is to bring exceptional talent.

The main problem with the H1B visas is sheer volume, there should be a quota like 5% of them can be H1B if nothing else. The IT India consulting industry is a major scam, the TCS's, Cognizant's and Infosys's of the world can go to . I've been under the payroll of all three at various points (not anymore). The "code monkey" jobs shouldn't be paying $68 an hour, that's ridiculous, but it's "market rate" in, say, Dallas, Atlanta, or Philadelphia. In other places like CA/NY it's even more.

Don't try to tell me that a foreigner "code monkey" that shows up an hour late to office (or virtual office, now that we're in work from home times) spends half their time ing around doing nothing and the other writing a few sql queries and editing a few lines of object oriented code and calling it a day... deserves 6-7 times more money than an immigrant from a less privileged background working his/her ass off at a restaurant or store just to live in a small apartment and feed their hungry kids.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Are you saying you’d force private practice lawyers to do public defense work to? Even by your standards this is an incoherent idea that reflects a complete lack of understanding as to how the legal system works.

Not force them to do public defense, but it'd sure put a cap on how many yachts and golf greens these private practices can afford.

[Will Hunting]

Not force them to do public defense, but it'd sure put a cap on how many yachts and golf greens these private practices can afford.

So you’d cap the earnings that private practice corporate lawyers who do mostly civil work earn, how the would that translate to lower sentences for petty drug offenses in criminal court?

Setting aside the hundred other reasons why you’re not making any sense, do you not know the difference between civil and criminal court?

You have this idea that rich lawyers making a load of money doing corporate litigation is somehow related to poor blacks being incarcerated for petty drug offenses but haven’t articulated why.

[Millennial_Messiah]

So you’d cap the earnings that private practice corporate lawyers who do mostly civil work earn, how the would that translate to lower sentences for petty drug offenses in criminal court?

Setting aside the hundred other reasons why you’re not making any sense, do you not know the difference between civil and criminal court?

Simple. Civil is torts, lawsuits, cease and desist etc. Criminal is sentencing for breaking of laws, which include revocation of business good standing (for companies), and for individuals fines, probation, jail time, etc.

Another thing that needs to be regulated is lobbyists. Why are lobbyists not regulated when individuals can get serious prison time for donating $X to a political campaign?

[Will Hunting]

Simple. Civil is torts, lawsuits, cease and desist etc. Criminal is sentencing for breaking of laws, which include revocation of business good standing (for companies), and for individuals fines, probation, jail time, etc.

Another thing that needs to be regulated is lobbyists. Why are lobbyists not regulated when individuals can get serious prison time for donating $X to a political campaign?

You say it’s simple yet can’t articulate how capping the earnings of civil corporate lawyers leads to lower sentencing for petty drug offenses.

[ElNono]

The main problem with the H1B visas is sheer volume, there should be a quota like 5% of them can be H1B if nothing else. The IT India consulting industry is a major scam, the TCS's, Cognizant's and Infosys's of the world can go to . I've been under the payroll of all three at various points (not anymore). The "code monkey" jobs shouldn't be paying $68 an hour, that's ridiculous, but it's "market rate" in, say, Dallas, Atlanta, or Philadelphia. In other places like CA/NY it's even more.

Don't try to tell me that a foreigner "code monkey" that shows up an hour late to office (or virtual office, now that we're in work from home times) spends half their time ing around doing nothing and the other writing a few sql queries and editing a few lines of object oriented code and calling it a day... deserves 6-7 times more money than an immigrant from a less privileged background working his/her ass off at a restaurant or store just to live in a small apartment and feed their hungry kids.

The bolded above is the real issue here, and what really damages both American workers who generally lack experience, college grads, and is completely against what the H1B program is supposed to be.

None of the people on H1Bs should be code monkeys, but the $68 an hour reflects the lack of availability of talent. If you had a lot of people for those jobs, then it wouldn't be hard to find a cheaper deal. That's just basics economics.

Then again, you wouldn't give those guys a $10m-$100m dollar project. You hire those people to build your website or your app.

[Millennial_Messiah]

You say it’s simple yet can’t articulate how capping the earnings of civil corporate lawyers leads to lower sentencing for petty drug offenses.

I'm not looking to cap their earnings per se. If they work more cases, in spite of tort reform (damages should be in the $xK's not $M's and $xM's) and work harder, then yes, they deserve more money. But what I'm trying to eliminate on a criminal context is criminal white-collar defendants, both corporations and individuals, should be barred from spending over, say, $xK per year on attorneys and legal counsel. Thus, they have a higher probability to get a stiffer and more accurate sentence; and the left will have far less ammunition to complain about "white privilege" Win-win.

[ElNono]

Another thing that needs to be regulated is lobbyists. Why are lobbyists not regulated when individuals can get serious prison time for donating $X to a political campaign?

This one is easy. Citizen's United.

[Will Hunting]

I'm not looking to cap their earnings per se. If they work more cases, in spite of tort reform (damages should be in the $xK's not $M's and $xM's) and work harder, then yes, they deserve more money. But what I'm trying to eliminate on a criminal context is criminal white-collar defendants, both corporations and individuals, should be barred from spending over, say, $xK per year on attorneys and legal counsel. Thus, they have a higher probability to get a stiffer and more accurate sentence; and the left will have far less ammunition to complain about "white privilege" Win-win.

Still has nothing to do with lowering sentences for petty drug offenses but you’re clearly just rambling at this point. That’ idea is also uncons utional for myriad reasons.

[Will Hunting]

This one is easy. Citizen's United.

it’s amazing how often conservatives complain about the realities their side is responsible for

[Millennial_Messiah]

The bolded above is the real issue here, and what really damages both American workers who generally lack experience, college grads, and is completely against what the H1B program is supposed to be.

None of the people on H1Bs should be code monkeys, but the $68 an hour reflects the lack of availability of talent. If you had a lot of people for those jobs, then it wouldn't be hard to find a cheaper deal. That's just basics economics.

Then again, you wouldn't give those guys a $10m-$100m dollar project. You hire those people to build your website or your app.

Bingo, and it's India's fault. Trump should have cracked down on India before tackling China. China could easily be handled by dispersing more factories across Southeast Asian countries, not just China, to provide more compe ion and less dependence on a communist second world superpower.

There isn't a lack of availability of talent. There are tens of thousands of US Citizen STEM grads each year who graduate without job offers in hand and are forced to go home and work menial jobs or take out expensive loans to get a master's degree that is essentially useless beyond its le. The IT consulting industry has ed up the numbers and it's gotten far too easy to get away with lying about experience if it's foreign experience because it's so expensive and time consuming for corporations to validate foreign industry experience (and education, for that matter) so they just go with the flow and take their word for it.

American workers who "generally lack experience" such as college grads should be PRIORITY candidates to fill these jobs. No US college grad left behind!! There needs to be a big fat regulation on this. If they don't have industry experience? Fine, train them!!! It's far less expensive to pay, say, a team of 25 less-experiences US Citizen grads $35 an hour starting pay, those who will generally show up from 9-5 and be much better socially, than a team of 15 $68 an hour (PLUS H1B sponsorship and relocation!!) dank foreign xenophobes with questionable accountability and verifiable experience, bad social skills, a thick accent and no regard for US culture.

[Millennial_Messiah]

it’s amazing how often conservatives complain about the realities their side is responsible for

Yeah, Citizens United was terrible. Corporations are not people. Wtf were they thinking?

[Will Hunting]

Yeah, Citizens United was terrible. Corporations are not people. Wtf were they thinking?

Don’t ask me, you clearly don’t seem to mind it.

I don’t understand how even though Citizens United offends you you’d still rather take it over Pelosi/Schumer for completely amorphous reasons. Corporations being able to take over America is pretty much a worst case scenario.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Don’t ask me, you clearly don’t seem to mind it.

I don’t understand how even though Citizens United offends you you’d still rather take it over Pelosi/Schumer for completely amorphous reasons. Corporations being able to take over America is pretty much a worst case scenario.

No, the worst case scenario is absolute government control; communism; red China/North Korea, et al. and you know it. Why do you think the protestors of Hong Kong are fighting for freedom? The right to protest isn't a right in many places; the USSR would make a bloodbath out of "Chaz, Seattle" and look at the Tienanmen Square incident.

A free market economy is generally good; oligarchy from big corporations, particularly big tech and their limitless pocketbooks, is generally bad; but government seizure of the economy is the absolute worst.

[Will Hunting]

No, the worst case scenario is absolute government control; communism; red China/North Korea, et al. and you know it. Why do you think the protestors of Hong Kong are fighting for freedom? The right to protest isn't a right in many places; the USSR would make a bloodbath out of "Chaz, Seattle" and look at the Tienanmen Square incident.

A free market economy is generally good; oligarchy from big corporations, particularly big tech and their limitless pocketbooks, is generally bad; but government seizure of the economy is the absolute worst.

Yeah except that’s never going to happen here. America is in a lot more danger of becoming a corporation controlled oligarchy than it is a communist state, the fear of communism is irrational. Your paranoia over one extreme that’s never going to happen has basically convinced you to support the other extreme that very much already has happened.

[Millennial_Messiah]

Yeah except that’s never going to happen here. America is in a lot more danger of becoming a corporation controlled oligarchy than it is a communist state, the fear of communism is irrational. Your paranoia over one extreme that’s never going to happen has basically convinced you to support the other extreme that very much already has happened.

It only takes a short period of time for everything to change. Very slippery slope. Look at Russia with the Bolsheviks, Mao Zedong in China in the late 50s, and Iran in 1979. Even ISIS's 2014 conquering of major territory in Iraq and Syria. happened virtually overnight.