We're Not Done Yet!

[Ghost Writer]

Unbelievable.

So Bowen is untouchable, because he can hold Kobe to 28 PPG, while either Jackson or Ginobili would yeild 45 PPG to a player who's never cracked 35 PPG in a playoff series and would have to be sharing the ball with Shaq, Payton and Malone next season.

You're right, scott.

Keep Bowen at all costs. Who needs extra cap room to add a better center next season anyway?

[scott]

What better center? That's half the point, genius. Try reading.

The marginal benefits of whatever center we can get with the extra money from trading Bowen are exceeded by the marginal costs of losing Bowen.

We can get rid of Bowen to make the massive upgrade from Zo/Brown to Kandi/Rasho. That upgrade is not worth your best defender. If getting rid of Bowen gave us money to sign a Jermaine O'Neal or Elton Brand, it would be worth it.

In this market, 4.5 million extra to sign a big man doesn't mean jack .

[Ghost Writer]

With 1.5 million used to sign Malone and 4.5 millions used to sign Payton, I'll take my chances with the extra 4.5 to make a play at Brand or O'Neal or even Odom.

There's no sense in arguing with a homer who is afraid to give to get.

Bowen is not untouchable.

And who's to say that Brown comes here for $3.8 million? It may take more to get those Nesterovic-level centers.

[KoriEllis]

Bowen is not untouchable

Only Duncan is untouchable.

[Ghost Writer]

Thank you, Kori. The homers here act like Bowen beat the Lakers with his stellar 'D' on Kobe. Bryant has never approached 35 PPG in a series against any defender. Jackson is not going to yeild 45 PPG to Bryant. Even if he did get scorched, you throw Ginobili on him. That's probably the better defensive matchup anyway.

We have depth at the PG and the swingman spot now. If we need more money to get a center, than that's where you make a trade.

People want a perfect lineup, but they want to keep everone after adding talent at the same positions.

People want a superster and a center, but they are unwilling to give anything up if need-be.

Mind-boggling.

[scott]

So now you are pinning your hopes that Brand or ONeal will take significantly less than the max?

There are no big men available that are worth losing Bowen after.

You suggest giving this lineup up:

Kidd
Jackson
Bowen
Duncan
Zo/PJ

Bench: Manu, Rose, Parker, Willis, Kerr

for this one:

Kidd
Manu
Jackson
Duncan
Kandi/Rasho

Bench: Rose, Willis, Kerr, ?, ?

By trading Bowen and Parker, you were able to upgrade all the way from Zo/PJ to Kandi/Rasho.

Bowen is worth more than that marginal upgrade.

[timvp]

If the Spurs get Kidd -- Bowen and Parker would have to prove they can play the Spurs new basketball. It's actually a shame that those two have to do that after winning a Championship, but the NBA is a business. Period.





Kidd changes everything.

[Ghost Writer]

scott, again, who are you to decide who will sign for $3.8 million.

Bowen is not worth keeping if it means getting a starting quality center. Parker, maybe, but Bowen? No.

timvp, thank you for coming out of hibernation long enough to course-correct young scottie here.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Bowen "held" Bryant to 28 PPG on 43% shooting and an average of 6 TOs as the primary ballhandler for the Lakers.

Remarkable job of shutting down Bryant by Bowen.

Yes, 28 PPG is much better than the 40 a game he was getting before that, not to mention the 6-7 APG he was chipping in.

Ghost, sometimes you have good takes, this isn't one of them.

It's not about stats, when he goes up against Bowen Kobe plays with a chip on his shoulder that he has to show up one of the widely held best defenders against him, and turns into a ball hog.

Any other time he plays the team game and hooks up his teammates. When Bowen plays him, it turns into a street ball game where Kobe is jacking up 40 shots a game. That's what did in LA, not our shutting down his other teammates.

AHF

[bigzak25]

and all this without even mentioning that bowen led the NBA in 3pt shooting last year.

do you remember BOWEN lighting up the lakers in game 2?

[spurster]

Kobe had an efficiency/game of 26.4 vs. the TWolves, and 20.8 vs. the Spurs, mainly more turnovers and fewer assists.

[Archie]

Bowen's not untouchable, but if you can get the same level of bigman talent without giving him up you do that.

Dammit Ghost just because you have an asset doesn't mean you dump it for nothing just because you can do it.

[Ghost Writer]

You guys are overrating idiot homers.

Brynat averaged 31.8 PPG in the first round against the Timberwolves. He averaged more against Bowen and the Spurs in the second round — even with that horrible 20 pt. performance in Game 6!


Kobe has never cracked 35 PPG against any defender in all his years in the playoffs!


What makes you think he'd snap for 45 PPG against Ginobili or Jackson?!?


Stop overrating.

[Jimcs50]

Ghost, we are not trading Bowen....that is crazy talk...go take your meds.

[Archie]

This is ing stupid. Bowen allowed the Spurs to play LA straight up. No that Bryant scored those points but did he get anyone else involved, Ghost?

Dammit this has been asked and answered again and again about what Bowen brings to the table and again and again you fail to get it. Stop wasting our time rehashing old ing discussions like you do so well and stick to the situation at hand.

Thank you.

[Ghost Writer]

You guys are overrating idiot homers.

Bryant averaged 31.8 PPG in the first round against the Timberwolves. He averaged more against Bowen and the Spurs in the second round — even with that horrible 20 pt. performance in Game 6!


Kobe has never cracked 35 PPG against any defender in all his years in the playoffs!


What makes you think he'd snap for 45 PPG against Ginobili or Jackson?!?


Stop overrating.

[Whottt]

Trading Bowen, who is 30 something makes more sense then some of the other trades mentioned. Guarding Kobe took everything out of Bowen, he wasn't the same after that series against LA.

[50 Cent]

Wow,

Ghost Writer - I must say after reading this thread that you have lost any credibility that you may have had with anybody, if that's possible.

To say Bowen's defense on Kobe is overrated is probably the most ludacrist thing I have ever heard. Do you actually watch the games? Do you happen to see how frustrated Kobe gets when Bowen is guarding him like stink on ?

Pop loves his defenders and for Bowen's salary, he isn't going anywhere. Bowen plays such good defense on Kobe that Kobe generally scores about as many points as shots he takes. I will take that any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Kobe also doesn't get near as many assists because he is generally too frustrated and ends up jacking up an ill advised shot (although he is great enough to do that and make 40% of his crazy shots).

You are an idiot. Scot, I wouldn't waste any more time making valid points and arguing with this moron. We can all see he is a ing idiot.

[Archie]

I seem to recall Bryant torching the Spurs without Bowen in the playoffs and getting his teammates involved. Dammit Ghost stop this .

[kohai]

...when he goes up against Bowen Kobe plays with a chip on his shoulder that he has to show up one of the widely held best defenders against him, and turns into a ball hog.

Any other time he plays the team game and hooks up his teammates. When Bowen plays him, it turns into a street ball game where Kobe is jacking up 40 shots a game. That's what did in LA, not our shutting down his other teammates.

Nail, head, bang.

[timvp]

GW gave Bowen props for like a 12 hour period during the playoffs and I thought he had seen the light.

What happened?






Question.

[Ghost Writer]

50 Cent, fvck off, b1tch. Bowen chases around Kobe all game. Whoopty-friggin' do. The Wolves held him to less points. If it's between finding a starting center next year or keeping Bruce Almighty, I'll take my chances with Ginobili or Jackson guarding Kobe.

You people act like Bowen is the primary reason why we advanced against the Lakers this year. You're wrong.

No on eon this team is untouchable or indispensible besides Duncan.

[Whottt]

I seem to recall Bryant torching the Spurs without Bowen in the playoffs and getting his teammates involved. Dammit Ghost stop this .

And I seem to recall the Lakers killing us in the 4th quarter last year because we didn't have a secondary scorer..We got one and now everyone wants him on the bench or traded for more passing.

Oh and check the sig :eyebrow

[Jimcs50]

Ghost, we are not just talking Kobe, have you seen Bowen totally frustrate Peja, like nobody else does? It is totally awesome watching Bowen shut down an opponent. If you polled all the 2s and 3s in the league and asked them who they hate the most on them, they would say Bruce Bowen. Look at all the great D he played on Marion and Hardaway in the first series, look at the job he did on Jefferson and Kittles in the Finals. It is not just Kobe, it is every 2 and 3 in this league that Bruce plays that matters to the Spurs.

[Ghost Writer]

Let's keep Bowen to hold Kobe to his usual 32 PPG, but let's start Willis or ROse at center to guard Shaq.


Brilliant.