Reply With QuoteWhy can't we call Payton, offer him the 8 million and totally screw up LA's plans?
The Spurs need to entice a veteran to accept less money to play for a le like Malone and Payton are doing for the Lakers. Or we need to find two bargains.
One superstar is not going to be enough.
I heard on SportsCenter this morning that the Spurs will try to get Kidd and Mourning to compete with the Lakers upgrades.
That would be terrific.
We need to get two players now.
I'd even take a combo platter of Olowokandi and Odom if that were possible.
How about Kidd and PJ Brown?
Someone has to give us a break.
The other alternative is getting Kidd and packaging up Parker in a trade.
One new acquisition will not be enough now.
Why can't we call Payton, offer him the 8 million and totally screw up LA's plans?
Courtesy of ESPN Insider:
Bingo.*        Kidd's decision could get complicated: Is Jason Kidd leaning toward signing with the Spurs? Depends on who you believe. The New York Times, citing three unidentified sources, claims Kidd is leaning toward San Antonio.
"The Nets are deeply concerned," a source told the Times. "Every effort on earth will be made to retain him." Nets officials were expected to meet with Kidd on Tuesday night. However, Rod Thorn didn't sound as concerned as the report makes it sound.
"At the end of the deliberations, as the case may be, the pomp and cir stance will take backseat to the substance," Thorn told the Times. "That's where the Kidds will make their decisions. He obviously knows that we would like to have him."
At issue? Which team gives Kidd the better shot at a le? With the Lakers now ready to field a Dream Team and the Kings and Mavs already built like a brick house, there's a chance the Spurs won't even reach the Western Conference Finals next year.
In the East, things are clearer. The Pistons look to be very tough again next year, and the Pacers still have a ton of young talent, but with Kidd, the Nets clearly would be the favorites to win the East.
Kidd's close relationships with Richard Jefferson and Kenyon Martin also play a part in the decision. As does a strained relationship with head coach Byron Scott. But so does the Spurs' style, which favors Tim Duncan making most of the decisions with the basketball.
League sources have maintained for weeks that ultimately Kidd will return to the Nets.
The decision may come down to who else the Spurs could bring in. Assuming Kidd and Duncan both get max deals and the salary cap is set at $42.5 million next season, the would have roughly $3 million left to sign another free agent. Would that be enough to lure a top veteran like Alonzo Mourning or P.J. Brown?
Brown was in San Antonio on Wednesday and seemed torn between taking less money to play for the Spurs and taking care of his family long term. Unlike Payton and Malone, he hasn't been earning tens of millions every year.
"This is a very important contract for me and a very important stage of my career," Brown told the San Antonio Express News. "This could be the last time I sign a contract. I have to look at it from two ways: trying to find a team where I can win a championship; and doing the best thing family-wise."
If Kidd decides he wants to be a Spur, don't be surprised if the Spurs and Nets start talking sign-and-trade. Because the Spurs are well under the cap, they can acquire Kidd and send back much less salary in return.
A sign-and-trade sending Kidd to San Antonio for Tony Parker and Bruce Bowen, for example, would give the Nets a dynamic young point guard to replace Kidd and would clear roughly $8 million in cap room in New Jersey this season and another $4 million after the 2004 campaign. The deal also would give the Spurs an extra $4.5 million to play with under the cap. Combine that with the roughly $3 million they'd already have, and the team could afford to add another solid free agent like Rasho Nesterovic, Brown or Mourning.
If that happened, Nesterovic could be the guy. The Spurs like his ability to face the basket and play in the high post. If they can get him enough money, Nesterovic is inclined to bolt Minnesota. He doesn't have the best relationship with coach Flip Saunders and really wants to be in San Antonio.
I'd love to see this happen. We can still compete with the Lakers given a trade of Parker and Bowen to NJ for Kidd. Check it out:
PF Duncan
SF Jackson
C Mourning/Brown/Nesterovic
PG Kidd
SG Ginobili
PF Rose
PG Kerr
And I don't want to hear any crying about trading Parker. It may be our only alternative at this point!
I really like Zo's game and characterwise he would be a perfect fit on the Spurs but I really question his ability to play at his former level again...NBA players run on anti-inflammatories when they are crunching through a hundred game season with lots of back-to-backs...can a big guy really be effective battling in the post night after night when he can't take anything for the aches and pains?...
are you kidding? we cant trade bowen, he's the reason kobe didnt drop 50 on us every night
Don't forget to trade Parker for Kwame Brown.
That'll get us a le this year.
Mourning came into the league the same year as O'Neal and we have to hope he is well-rested after taking time off from the game to deal with his ailment. If there's a physical specimen in th emold of Robinson at center — it's Mourning. And given the other options of Brown or Nesterovic, I think Mourning would be the better candidate to accept $3-4.5 million to win a ring with us.
It's time for the Spurs to catch a break or make something happen.
We can get get Kidd and a center now. Where I thought that would be next to impossoble, I think the Lakers moves will actually open things up for the Spurs.
I feel it.
Gotta agree with Bandit. Trading Bowen is not a good way to try to keep up with LA.
No way we trade our best defender. Zo would be a risky proposition, better to take a sure thing like PJ, Nesterovic or Miller. Although, nothing is sure in life, so Zo might very well be the choice.
i dunno, im not so sure about mourning...we saw sean come back and he really was never the same again...i'd hate for the spurs to gamble and have him get ill or really struggle, meaning we basically only signed kidd and no big man other than what was left after dave. i hope PJ comes, his style and at ude would fit right in, and he aint afraid to bang with shaq or malone
You guys are obtuse.
Whott, Kwame Brown will be a force soon enough. Please take Parker's French crueller out of your mouth and come up with some solutions of your own, b1tch.
If it's between keeping Parker and Bowen or getting Kidd and a center, I'll live with Jackson defending Bryant. You people act like Bowen shut down Kobe or something. Bowen wasn't even on the floor in the 4th quarters, thank Pop.
Do you people understand who the Lakers have added? We barely got by them this year with just Shaq and Kobe!
Get a grip!
Jax would be Kobe's , if Kobe is not some big er's in prison next year.
Anybody remember the last series we played against LA, sans Bowen? 2001? Asswhipping? Is this ringing any bells?
PJ needs to talk to Bowen to find out how Pop takes care of his own. He could sign on the VERY cheap, and get the MCE next year, or a chunk of it, a la Bowen.
Ghost,
Why would you make an aquisition for a player knowing he is phisically ailing.......and "HOPE" he is better and well rested.?
Normally you're pretty intelligent....but that assinine comment almost made me spit out my bran flakes!!
That's just not good business practice to HOPE.
You HOPE it doesn't rain.
You HOPE you get a raise.
You HOPE you don't get a ticket.
YOU DON'T HOPE ZO IS WELL ENOUGH TO PLAY WHAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR HIM!
Wow...
Plus Zo is almost guaranteed to go to Dallas. Cuban is the only one crazy enough to offer him a four year guaranteed contract. That scenario guarantees him a trip deep into the finals and he gets paid too...
Great, so not only would we have Shaq putting up 40 on us for the first time in 5 years because he'll have Zo and Malik Rose guarding him; we'll also have Kobe Bryant putting 50 on us because he's being guarded by Stephen Jackson.
Yep, and don't forget GP's 44 per game too!
Well, Kidd has proven he can hold Gary Payton to 18.5 points and 8.7 assists in the playoffs... so I guess everything will be okay.
My solution is simple Ghost...
We already used the transition to great effect VS LA last year. It will be even more effective against them this year IMO.
Blowing 90 million on Kidd is not going to do to our running game what you think it will.
Because you can't do nothing but run..especially with no guys who can spot up on the run other than Jax.
You still need to be able to hang with LA in half court O.
The Solution: Get a defensive big the best one we can get..and then get shooters. Piaktowski, Reggie Miller, Robert Horry..Keep Kerr..Keep them on the bench..
Parker is the PG we have that might have a chance of out playing GP with his offense, not Jason Kidd.
Parker's O becomes even more important with what the Lakers have done.
There are players I would trade Parker for but, if it's gonna be a project they better give us a lot of draft picks to go with the project.
Parker is a natural fast break player. Giving him up weakens our break. Again we see Parker is getting punished for doing something well..because he managed to be pretty successful in our half court offense people are now forgetting that he wants to run, and that would be his choice if he had one. Much like everyone has forgotten all he wanted to do when he became a starter last year was Pass.
Like I say, you are in here crowing about running on LA..and dumping Parker in an attempt to do it..like RudyT said..Parker is a one man fast break. Drop the leash on him and he won't need anyone to finish it for him.
You guys are fvckin' losers.
$3 million may be enough to "gamble" on Mounrning.
Did you ignore the part about PJ Brown or Nesterovic for $4.5 million if Bowen and Parker are traded to the Nets?
Kobe still got his off of Bowen. The difference this past season is that the Lakers got absolutely nothing from anyone outside of their Big Two.
Now they have a Big Four and you pvssies want to stay pat.
Brwon and Mourning are good low post defenders.
Nesterovic is weak, but he does have a face-up game that can draw Shaq away from the hoop.
We don't need Parker anymore if we get Kidd.
Bowen's defense on Kobe is overrated.
You have to give to get.
I'm waiting to hear all of your brilliant ideas on how to improve.
Originally posted by Ghost Writer:
Thanks for participating.Bowen's defense on Kobe is overrated.
Hey @ssh0le — how did Bowen's defense on Bryant do the playoffs before last?
The difference was no one else stepped up for the Lakers.
We could put Jackson in there next season and let Kobe score 25-35 PPG on him.
You have to give to get, son.
Please offer some solutions of your own, scott.
I think that the Spurs would have more than $3 mil left over after signing Kidd to a max deal.
I wouldn't give up much to get Mourning. There are too many question marks about his health and if he's unable to take anti-inflammatories there are going to be problems. Let's not forget what happened to Elliott in his first full season back once he got to the playoffs.
PJ Brown would be ideal should the Spurs get Kidd. As others have pointed out, losing Bowen would hurt the Spurs versus LA. Plus you would be shipping out Parker as well.
Bowen doesn't fit long term but he certainly fits short term. If it came down to moving Bowen gets Kidd to SA then that is a hard pill to swallow. But you have to do what you have to do in that case.
I am waiting to hear the pro Kidd's(or semi pro in your case) justification on their rhetoric of how we should get Kidd because you always add talent if you can...
While at the same time wanting to give up one of our most talented players for a stiff.
Contradiction much?
Some of ya'll are starting to sound cracked...Let's see... we have the player with the best post up moves in the game, a player who is still going to draw a double team..so let's become a full time running team.
We have the fastest player in the league so let's dump him to improve our break.
I am confused. I just don't get it. But carry on..I am amused if nothing else.
What's the ing alternative, Whottt? Either you improve your team or you stick your head in the sand.
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