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    + don't forget MBS in Saudi Arabia who hung up in MF Biden's face when he tried calling over there...

    "I will never speak to them again as long as I am President. Not after they murdered a sacred journalist like MBS did. I was shocked, absolutely aghast. I'll never get over it as long as Jill and I live. It was an outrage, a heinous crime that will not go unpunished. MBS will be held to account as long as I am President, so help me God."

    6 months later after Putin shoved the 12 incher up Biden's ass..."Jen, get MBS on the hot line for me, chop/chop, youngster. How's that chemical peel goin', sweetheart?"

    Socky:::"I had it done a fortnight ago, sir, the day before Putin shoved the 12 incher up your woo-woo. Can't you tell?"

    "Who's the wild man now!"
    Putler is scared less of Old Joe. He can't even beat a comedian, he has no chance against a lifelong bull ter...

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    USA has been and just about now. Still is net exporter of oil.

    USA big oil makes more money exporting oil than selling it domestically

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    Putler is scared less of Old Joe. He can't even beat a comedian, he has no chance against a lifelong bull ter...
    All Joe has to do is prove it. Declare that No Fly Zone in Ukr.

    Chop/chop!!!

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    EVs and nuclear energy solves these problems Karrin. O&G lobbyist/companies won’t let that happen though tbh
    EVs? Not practical considering not only that the purchase price up-front for those are still ridiculous and the fact that electricity prices have skyrocketed as well in the past year, but also the fact that they are absolutely terrible for the one thing that I enjoy cars for, which is long expedition style road trips. I don't care if you put charging stations every hundred or so miles on every interstate -- it's still impractical to drive less than three hours at a time and have to wait an hour or more just to have to re-charge it as opposed to a 3 minute pit stop at a gas station. I mean what the are you going to do sitting at a EV charging station for such a long time? I don't have time for that chicken bull !! I should have been an hour east by then not still waiting for my damn EV to charge.....

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    I thought you were worried about the poor and needy... I guess it's all about the elections then.
    The principles of modern conservatism are dishonesty, violence, and greed.

    Little room in between those things for concern for anyone struggling.

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    EVs? Not practical considering not only that the purchase price up-front for those are still ridiculous and the fact that electricity prices have skyrocketed as well in the past year, but also the fact that they are absolutely terrible for the one thing that I enjoy cars for, which is long expedition style road trips. I don't care if you put charging stations every hundred or so miles on every interstate -- it's still impractical to drive less than three hours at a time and have to wait an hour or more just to have to re-charge it as opposed to a 3 minute pit stop at a gas station. I mean what the are you going to do sitting at a EV charging station for such a long time? I don't have time for that chicken bull !! I should have been an hour east by then not still waiting for my damn EV to charge.....
    The logistics are daunting. I'm certainly not saying it can't be done, just that it is a daunting task to make it convenient. I was just thinking about the math. The 'goal" of the infrastructure bill is to build out 500,000 charging stations in the US in the next few years.. with an average of 30 minutes per charge that would allow 1 million charges per hour.

    Compare that to existing gas stations. There are currently 115,000 gas stations in the US. lets assume an average of 6 pumps per station which I think is conservative considering the proliferation of mega stations, not to mention Bucees. That gives us 690,000 pumps. Assume an average time of 10 minutes per fill up that gives us a current capacity of over 4 million turns per hour.

    I realize that EV's for local traffic can possibly be charged at hope with a +/- $1000 investment for a home charger but apartment dwellers and those tht can't afford the up front cost of home chargers would still have to rely on charging stations.

    I am not anti-EV. I'm just saying the transition to EV's is going to be a lot more difficult and inconvenient than most people realize.

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    I guess Trump s fail to remember their daddy begged Russia and Saudi Arabia to cut oil production in 2020.
    Yep, that re ed deal Trump cut with OPEC in 2020 is the primary reason for why gas prices are so high.

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    EVs? Not practical considering not only that the purchase price up-front for those are still ridiculous and the fact that electricity prices have skyrocketed as well in the past year, but also the fact that they are absolutely terrible for the one thing that I enjoy cars for, which is long expedition style road trips. I don't care if you put charging stations every hundred or so miles on every interstate -- it's still impractical to drive less than three hours at a time and have to wait an hour or more just to have to re-charge it as opposed to a 3 minute pit stop at a gas station. I mean what the are you going to do sitting at a EV charging station for such a long time? I don't have time for that chicken bull !! I should have been an hour east by then not still waiting for my damn EV to charge.....
    I like the BMW models that have a battery capable of going 25 miles or so all electric with gas that kicks in after; it still allows for road trips but most of our driving is done in <25 mile trips.

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    So weird. Upcoming elections should go well.
    Way to go, ElNono, now all of the Republicans in Texas are going to use screenshots of your post in election ads.

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    The logistics are daunting. I'm certainly not saying it can't be done, just that it is a daunting task to make it convenient. I was just thinking about the math. The 'goal" of the infrastructure bill is to build out 500,000 charging stations in the US in the next few years.. with an average of 30 minutes per charge that would allow 1 million charges per hour.

    Compare that to existing gas stations. There are currently 115,000 gas stations in the US. lets assume an average of 6 pumps per station which I think is conservative considering the proliferation of mega stations, not to mention Bucees. That gives us 690,000 pumps. Assume an average time of 10 minutes per fill up that gives us a current capacity of over 4 million turns per hour.

    I realize that EV's for local traffic can possibly be charged at hope with a +/- $1000 investment for a home charger but apartment dwellers and those tht can't afford the up front cost of home chargers would still have to rely on charging stations.

    I am not anti-EV. I'm just saying the transition to EV's is going to be a lot more difficult and inconvenient than most people realize.
    It will be a daunting task.

    The thing about charging stations is that you already have things wired the electric grid. No need for hundreds of thousands of dollars building underground tanks, and the constant flow of tanker trucks to keep them filled.

    When one gets down to it though, all you really need is an adapter capable of pulling 1500Watts out of a grid overnight.

    At some point, people having new houses built will start asking for the infrastructure as part of home costs, so charging gets really cheap amortized over 30 years with a secured mortgage.

    My next refi will probably have that and solar as a retrofit, or just HELOC it and lump the sort term loan cost.

    A big task, but once you start getting appreciable numbers of EVs on the road, the economics shift, and free market does the rest.

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    Self-declared ST multimillionaire Trumpers complaining the most about gas prices.
    I feel bad for my butler and maid staff. It's hard for them to get by on their $75k salaries

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    i do enjoy how he made sure we all know he fills up with premium gas. No mid-grade unleaded for highfalutin CC!

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    All Joe has to do is prove it. Declare that No Fly Zone in Ukr.

    Chop/chop!!!
    Sure, after Putler declares war against the US.

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    i do enjoy how he made sure we all know he fills up with premium gas. No mid-grade unleaded for highfalutin CC!
    Better gas mileage rebuttal incoming

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    i do enjoy how he made sure we all know he fills up with premium gas. No mid-grade unleaded for highfalutin CC!
    LOL you are a jealous little , aren't you? And yes, my truck requires premium because it's got the 6.2 like the corvettes.

    I clarified it was premium since the price was $4.19.

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    Great find, CC.

    CC


    State run media CNN won't touch that materiel for all the rice in China.
    And a possible conclusion to this is to get the Saudi monkey off our back.
    Is there anyone on the board who is against our supposed dependency on everything Saudi to go away?

    So, might be a very good thing indeed for everyone.

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    Sure, after Putler declares war against the US.
    That's what Putin has done as I keep telling you, El; war with us by proxy. Sure, I suppose he wants a piece of Ukr ass, though it doesn't stand to reason, but what he wants and got is Biden's undivided attention and rapt fear---that Biden isn't sure how far he will go. I was watching the CNN this morning and they had an expert on there about this type of . He stated that he'd been in gov't for 40 years and has never had as many people question him about the threat of nuclear war that Putin is worth.

    Putin does not have to hit us, to hit us. He hits them, he hits us. He knows this like the back of his hand.

    We need to count ourselves extremely lucky and fortunate here. We're impervious. All we're going to get is thoroughly humiliated, rousted and made to pay an extra dollar, perhaps 2 a gallon gas. That-is-nothing.

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    And a possible conclusion to this is to get the Saudi monkey off our back.
    Is there anyone on the board who is against our supposed dependency on everything Saudi to go away?

    So, might be a very good thing indeed for everyone.
    No, we spent the blood of our children civilizing the Saudi royal family and their population as the civilization process filtered down into the masses. That wasn't our Woodward nor Bernstein that MBS carved up, that was some waste of space foreigner who was involved in a blood feud with those people long before Adam. "Don't go in there, babe." His gf. He went in there anyway. They was waitin' for him in there.

    If we ain't gonna drill our own black gold, Texas tea, then we have to get it somewhere else and as cheaply as possible. Use the road we've paved the last half century with our lives and money to get it.

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    The logistics are daunting. I'm certainly not saying it can't be done, just that it is a daunting task to make it convenient. I was just thinking about the math. The 'goal" of the infrastructure bill is to build out 500,000 charging stations in the US in the next few years.. with an average of 30 minutes per charge that would allow 1 million charges per hour.

    Compare that to existing gas stations. There are currently 115,000 gas stations in the US. lets assume an average of 6 pumps per station which I think is conservative considering the proliferation of mega stations, not to mention Bucees. That gives us 690,000 pumps. Assume an average time of 10 minutes per fill up that gives us a current capacity of over 4 million turns per hour.

    I realize that EV's for local traffic can possibly be charged at hope with a +/- $1000 investment for a home charger but apartment dwellers and those tht can't afford the up front cost of home chargers would still have to rely on charging stations.

    I am not anti-EV. I'm just saying the transition to EV's is going to be a lot more difficult and inconvenient than most people realize.
    100% agreed. I'm not anti ev either but in April 2020 when my 2017 base Corolla lease was up, and the price of gas was rock bottom I was forward thinking (i.e. that the cheap gas was going to be temporary) and debating on buying either an EV (Tesla or Toyota equivalent of a Tesla) or a Camry Hybrid. I went with the Camry Hybrid because it was less cost up front and less hassle in terms of, well, lack of charging stations; public charging stations are still more expensive than buying gas even at peak late-Bush or mid-Obama era prices [like we're seeing in 2022]; the fact that I don't exactly own my own home so I can't just have a charging port of my own, and even if I did, some young people are mind numbingly stupid and think that charging an EV would be like charging a phone in terms of cost.... nope, charging an EV is more akin to running heat or AC on full blast all night as opposed to charging a phone or computer all night. Electricity has gone up in price too, big time and so you're not even saving a ton long term even if gas prices go up, because that also generally means other forms of energy have gone up, including electric and natural gas.

    Really, like as you alluded to, EVs are only practical for the posh suburban upper middle class HOA homeowner type who doesn't travel out of their local area by car (i.e., if they're going out of town for any reason, they're flying) and commutes to work on a regular basis and can afford the cost of not only the initial costs of buying an EV and installing an in-home-garage EV port, but also the maintenance associated with it. The problem is that a lot of this demographic have converted to remote working instead of twice-daily commuting, so a lot of these upper suburban types are now stuck with EVs and work from home so they're only using their car to go to the grocery store and other miscellaneous local stuff.

    If you live in an apartment, a ghetto-house neighborhood (where an EV would likely get stolen and you probably can't afford it anyway), a rural farm/ranch house (you probably need a truck to haul stuff or at least a vehicle with a longer range that gets you places), or you're filthy rich and live in a mansion (in that case you're probably driving a luxury vehicle and don't care about gas prices anyway)...... EVs are not practical for you.

    EVs are really only super practical for one demographic only and even that has been diminished by work from home due to covid, and a lot of employers are making work from home policy permanent for those who have demonstrated that they are effective at it. Lots of bigger companies selling off their offices to smaller companies now due to the largely-permanent increase in remote work jobs.

    I like the BMW models that have a battery capable of going 25 miles or so all electric with gas that kicks in after; it still allows for road trips but most of our driving is done in <25 mile trips.
    I've driven a few BMWs in my life but as rental cars only though. Every one that I've had takes an insane amount of gas; it's basically a sedan with the fuel economy of a truck. 25 mile trips makes sense I guess if you're living in DC and only go to NoVA/Maryland or within DC. The problem is that on road trips in one of those BMWs even with that 25 mile battery, the total cost goes up because you're paying more for energy in total with a BMW as opposed to a traditional hybrid like my Camry Hybrid that gets a summer fuel economy over 50 MPG on flat terrain and winter still over 40 MPG.

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    Sure, after Putler declares war against the US.
    With what army?

    With the Ukrainians having torn up most of pootin's military convoys in Ukraine, the only resource pootin has left is Hater's tweet storming of ST, just saying.

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    LOL you are a jealous little , aren't you? And yes, my truck requires premium because it's got the 6.2 like the corvettes.

    I clarified it was premium since the price was $4.19.
    Hey, you’re a rich Boomer who couldn’t care less about future generations. You’ve got it made. Enjoy it while it lasts.

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    No, we spent the blood of our children civilizing the Saudi royal family and their population as the civilization process filtered down into the masses. That wasn't our Woodward nor Bernstein that MBS carved up, that was some waste of space foreigner who was involved in a blood feud with those people long before Adam. "Don't go in there, babe." His gf. He went in there anyway. They was waitin' for him in there.

    If we ain't gonna drill our own black gold, Texas tea, then we have to get it somewhere else and as cheaply as possible. Use the road we've paved the last half century with our lives and money to get it.
    We are moving on.
    The older boomers dont want anything to do with this but unsurprisingly the big oil companies are in on the inevitable switch to other sources of energy full bore.
    The R and D money is flowing, they dont want to be left behind. The University of Texas has a geology dept getting money from big oil to do just this. And if its not from US based companies, its coming from Norway etc... who actually understand how to obtain money from companies for their population. They strike up good deals because they have an educated population.

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    We are moving on.
    The older boomers dont want anything to do with this but unsurprisingly the big oil companies are in on the inevitable switch to other sources of energy full bore.
    The R and D money is flowing, they dont want to be left behind. The University of Texas has a geology dept getting money from big oil to do just this. And if its not from US based companies, its coming from Norway etc... who actually understand how to obtain money from companies for their population. They strike up good deals because they have an educated population.
    If true then Putin sped up this evolutionary process and you should be grateful to him for the kick to the seat of our pants.

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