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    For all the posts of people concerned we might "blow our load" on a trade that doesn't work out... there should be a similar amount of concern for the loads being blown on these contract extensions for mediocre players.

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    For all the posts of people concerned we might "blow our load" on a trade that doesn't work out... there should be a similar amount of concern for the loads being blown on these contract extensions for mediocre players.
    The new stricter salary floor can catch teams in a loop of mediocrity, where they end up having to overpay players to meet the floor which in turn hampers their flexibility down the road.

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    Overpaying Sochan just feels like a forgone conclusion at this point, Collins making $17 and $18 million this and next season is criminal...imagine what the front office is going to throw to Sochan. Hopefully a sane person will be in the room to talk everyone down and remind everyone how crippling it is to overpay guys in the new CBA. Especially a guy who will never be able to shoot and is totally reliant on his teammates to table set any offense for him. I do believe a role exists for Sochan, just not one that dictates starting and/or playing 30 mpg. I cant say the same for Keldon or Collins, they both need to be gone asap.

    Sochan seems cool and is probably a fun hang, but this needs to be entirely a business decision from the Spurs perspective. Make an offer in line with a 6th or 7th man role and if he balks you let him hit FA. I doubt any teams are throwing a bag at a guy with his offensive profile just like no teams would've signed Collins for anything close to $17 million a season.

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    Overpaying Sochan just feels like a forgone conclusion at this point, Collins making $17 and $18 million this and next season is criminal...imagine what the front office is going to throw to Sochan. Hopefully a sane person will be in the room to talk everyone down and remind everyone how crippling it is to overpay guys in the new CBA. Especially a guy who will never be able to shoot and is totally reliant on his teammates to table set any offense for him. I do believe a role exists for Sochan, just not one that dictates starting and/or playing 30 mpg. I cant say the same for Keldon or Collins, they both need to be gone asap.

    Sochan seems cool and is probably a fun hang, but this needs to be entirely a business decision from the Spurs perspective. Make an offer in line with a 6th or 7th man role and if he balks you let him hit FA. I doubt any teams are throwing a bag at a guy with his offensive profile just like no teams would've signed Collins for anything close to $17 million a season.
    Tbh, 15 to 20 million a year would be fine due to rising cap.
    Extension would kick in 2026-27 season and the projected cap for those 5 years is 170/187/205/226/249 million.
    He can't get anything close to what they gave Vassell, though.

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    this is the sort of sample size that leads me to think; maybe you're on to something or maybe this is crappy reasoning.

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    The new stricter salary floor can catch teams in a loop of mediocrity, where they end up having to overpay players to meet the floor which in turn hampers their flexibility down the road.
    Loosely translated: tanking has reverberating consequences that you can't just flip a switch and be done with

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    Tbh, 15 to 20 million a year would be fine due to rising cap.
    Extension would kick in 2026-27 season and the projected cap for those 5 years is 170/187/205/226/249 million.
    He can't get anything close to what they gave Vassell, though.
    Yea the raw number will be higher than Collins and will look scarier than it actually is due to the rising cap, guess only % of cap is relevant. The Kuminga situation this coming off season might help Sochan see the light and sign a fair extension (for team and player) and lock in generational wealth even if it is less overall than what he would've expected it to be a couple of years ago. Kuminga is a better overall talent and was expecting a max extension from the GSW, needless to say that didn't happen so now we all get to see the new CBA in action this summer.

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    Tbh, 15 to 20 million a year would be fine due to rising cap.
    Extension would kick in 2026-27 season and the projected cap for those 5 years is 170/187/205/226/249 million.
    He can't get anything close to what they gave Vassell, though.
    I agree. I'm at the place where 4/60 seems like a bargain and 4/80 sounds like the top end of the acceptable range. I'm expecting 5/150 though

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    Yea the raw number will be higher than Collins and will look scarier than it actually is due to the rising cap, guess only % of cap is relevant. The Kuminga situation this coming off season might help Sochan see the light and sign a fair extension (for team and player) and lock in generational wealth even if it is less overall than what he would've expected it to be a couple of years ago. Kuminga is a better overall talent and was expecting a max extension from the GSW, needless to say that didn't happen so now we all get to see the new CBA in action this summer.
    There's also the Wemby factor.
    Do you want a few more millions to be the tank commander or you want to play with the best player in the league?

    I'd offer him big bonuses for shooting improvements.

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    i would love to see kuminga wind up a Spur but i'd also be happy with naz reid or even myles turner.

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    They need to frontload his deal and add heavy 3-point shooting incentives

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    i would love to see kuminga wind up a Spur but i'd also be happy with naz reid or even myles turner.
    Please for the love of god no more projects that we pray learn how to shoot lol

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    Let’s not write off Sochan too easily he was going for 17 and 9 before the first injury.

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    $20 to $23M a year is what I’d expect for sochan. Like someone said earlier there should be clauses for shooting in the contract.

    What I don’t get is the oft repeated comment about sochan being low IQ, why is that? He anticipated on defence very well, knows his place on offence, sets good screens and is a decent passer for his size, all indicating his IQ is at least decent. What is that about?

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    $20 to $23M a year is what I’d expect for sochan. Like someone said earlier there should be clauses for shooting in the contract.

    What I don’t get is the oft repeated comment about sochan being low IQ, why is that? He anticipated on defence very well, knows his place on offence, sets good screens and is a decent passer for his size, all indicating his IQ is at least decent. What is that about?
    He does make stupid decisions from time to time and has a slower processing speed on the offensive end (from my uneducated fan perspective), but I agree with you I wouldn't call him low IQ. I think more than anything he's just young (except I don't think processing speed usually sees a dramatic jump)

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    Spurs should have some good comps come extension time in Walker Kessler, Mark Williams, Tari Eason and Jalen Duren.

    Tough to argue he is worth more than what any of these guys get outside of Williams mainly due to injuries.

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    Watch them pay this borderline scrub 2nd/3rd banana money

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    No, it was only 18 games.
    He played point guard some during the tank year that got us Victor

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    It's the coaches decision to play him in crunch time. Sochan is a nice player, defends well, rebounds, energy guy. Just dont put him in crunch time, that will be a disaster

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    $20 to $23M a year is what I’d expect for sochan. Like someone said earlier there should be clauses for shooting in the contract.

    What I don’t get is the oft repeated comment about sochan being low IQ, why is that? He anticipated on defence very well, knows his place on offence, sets good screens and is a decent passer for his size, all indicating his IQ is at least decent. What is that about?
    Tonight was a solid example of why people make that criticism. No situational awareness, out of position on key plays, etc. Winning players have an “it” factor, and as much as I love this guy, he is not a winning player.

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    i would love to see kuminga wind up a Spur but i'd also be happy with naz reid or even myles turner.
    Kuminga has...what does Scott call it... "main character syndrome" even more than Devin does. I'd like Turner or Reid though.

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    20m-23M for Sochan ...

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    Spurs should have some good comps come extension time in Walker Kessler, Mark Williams, Tari Eason and Jalen Duren.

    Tough to argue he is worth more than what any of these guys get outside of Williams mainly due to injuries.
    Based on some Rockets chatter i've seen the last few days sounds like Tari is considered damaged goods (leg pain that keeps flaring up ala Kawhi) and his extension offer will be priced accordingly. Eason is listed as day-to-day on the injury report but hasn't played in 3 weeks.

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    Where are all the sniffers explaining us how important Sochan is for the future of the organization?

    We miss you guys...

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    Sochan shouldnt play in crunch time tbh

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