Buck Harvey: Names of All-Stars change, but the impact of Ginobili rarely does

[IceColdBrewski]

Funny, that was after your argument consisted of "you got owned". Brilliant.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

[smeagol]

Here we go. In this thread the following was the claim, as if Manu could carry a team to the NBA Finals on his own.

Where did I claim Manu can carry an NBA team to the finals? I simply said that Manu has played at the level he plays in the NBA in other leagues and championships where he did not have TD by his side.

You, on the other side, claim Manu is nothing without TD

Manu isn't in that spot if not for TD.

Manu would be in that Spot any decent big.

[Peter]

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

Yet another quality response.

[Peter]

Where did I claim Manu can carry an NBA team to the finals? I simply said that Manu has played at the level he plays in the NBA in other leagues and championships where he did not have TD by his side.

You, on the other side, claim Manu is nothing without TD

That was your response to my observation that Manu isn't in the Finals without TD, as if he could've carried a NBA team to that spot on his own.

Manu would be in that Spot any decent big.

So now TD is just "any decent big".

[IceColdBrewski]

Yet another quality response.

Sorry. I guess talking about chumps and boyfriends is more to your liking?

[Peter]

Sorry. I guess talking about chumps and boyfriends is more to your liking?

It's an appropriate response given what you posted.

[IceColdBrewski]

I'm still waiting for the expert analysis on on how the FIBA rules somehow gave Manu and his team an unfair advantage.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

That was your response to my observation that Manu isn't in the Finals without TD, as if he could've carried a NBA team to that spot on his own.




So now TD is just "any decent big".

Nice job twisting around That's not what he said and you know it! We are simply saying Manu and TP would be great even without TD, and you insist on mentioning that TD is better? Well great deduction SHerlock, but guess what, everyone knew that already. Fine, I'm done arguing with your sorry ass, you're obviously hanging from TD's balls for dear life. I can see there is no reasoning with you.

[Peter]

Nice job twisting around That's not what he said and you know it! We are simply saying Manu and TP would be great even without TD, and you insist on mentioning that TD is better? Well great deduction SHerlock, but guess what, everyone knew that already. Fine, I'm done arguing with your sorry ass, you're obviously hanging from TD's balls for dear life. I can see there is no reasoning with you.

What's "great"? Do they get to the postseason without TD?

Seems like you can't participate in this discussion without getting flustered. Poor lad.

[Peter]

I'm still waiting for the expert analysis on on how the FIBA rules somehow gave Manu and his team an unfair advantage.

Why wait? It's rather obvious. Surely you can figure it out.

[smeagol]

So now TD is just "any decent big".

Man its fruitless having a discussion with you. You twist around it's even worse than discussing stuff with my wife

Where did I say TD is any decent big?

All I said is Manu would be a great player playing with half of the bigs in the NBA. Nevertheless, he is and even better player because he plays with Duncan.

Get this through you thick skull. Manu is an awesome player, with or without TD. But he is an even more awesome player with TD. But the guy can create his own shots; he does not need a big attracting attention. So his long three against Indy was also because of Duncan? Please . . .

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Seems like you can't participate in this discussion without getting flustered. Poor lad.

well, what can I say, stuborn, repe ive asses get the best out of me, what can I say, I'm human

[101A]

That was your response to my observation that Manu isn't in the Finals without TD, as if he could've carried a NBA team to that spot on his own.

Ok, Ok, we can work with this.

The point of the thread was Manu is top 5 "When it Counts" - nothing more - just that his is, in fact, World - Class CLUTCH "When it Counts" -

The fact stands on its own - doesn't matter why he is even on the floor "When it Counts", but that since he is (as are 9 other players in any game - regardless of why they are there at that moment, or whether they deserve to be), he will be one of the very best AT THAT TIME.

Peter, do you argue that Manu is a top player "When it Counts"? - Or are you just going to keep screaming about FIBA rules & other times when "It doesn't Count"?

[smeagol]

What's "great"? Do they get to the postseason without TD?

Sparky, the discussion is not if Manu alone could carry a team to the post season. The discussion is if Manu is a great player because of TD or is he a great player in his own right.

Many great players, including Kobe, AI, even KG did not make it to the postseason, not to mention all those other great players who never won . All of them are still great players.

Bottom line, Manu is a great player because he is naturally talented and has a desire to win which is second to noone in the NBA. And that is the bottom line.

[IceColdBrewski]

Seems like you can't participate in this discussion without getting flustered. Poor lad.

This is a "discussion"? Uh, no. It was a discussion until you decided that it needed to be a pissing contest. After that, it turned into the spectacle of you making an ass of yourself.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Ok, Ok, we can work with this.

The point of the thread was Manu is top 5 "When it Counts" - nothing more - just that his is, in fact, World - Class CLUTCH "When it Counts" -

The fact stands on its own - doesn't matter why he is even on the floor "When it Counts", but that since he is (as are 9 other players in any game - regardless of why they are there at that moment, or whether they deserve to be), he will be one of the very best AT THAT TIME.

Peter, do you argue that Manu is a top player "When it Counts"? - Or are you just going to keep screaming about FIBA rules & other times when "It doesn't Count"?

*Waiting for Peter's response*

[Peter]

So if Manu is playing with Chris Mihm as the team's primary low post threat, he's an All-Star and carrying that team to the NBA Finals?

[leemajors]

Sparky, the discussion is not if Manu alone could carry a team to the post season. The discussion is if Manu is a great player because of TD or is he a great player in his own right.

Many great players, including Kobe, AI, even KG did not make it to the postseason, not to mention all those other great players who never won . All of them are still great players.

Bottom line, Manu is a great player because he is naturally talented and has a desire to win which is second to noone in the NBA. And that is the bottom line.

nonsensical response in 5, 4, 3, 2....

[leemajors]

damn he beat me to it =[

[smeagol]

Ok, Ok, we can work with this.

The point of the thread was Manu is top 5 "When it Counts" - nothing more - just that his is, in fact, World - Class CLUTCH "When it Counts" -

The fact stands on its own - doesn't matter why he is even on the floor "When it Counts", but that since he is (as are 9 other players in any game - regardless of why they are there at that moment, or whether they deserve to be), he will be one of the very best AT THAT TIME.

Peter, do you argue that Manu is a top player "When it Counts"? - Or are you just going to keep screaming about FIBA rules & other times when "It doesn't Count"?

You don't get it 101A. Manu is clutch because of TD. All those clutch moments he had in last years run in the playoffs, well guess what, they were because of TD.

ing ungreatful, some people are.

[Peter]

Ok, Ok, we can work with this.

The point of the thread was Manu is top 5 "When it Counts" - nothing more - just that his is, in fact, World - Class CLUTCH "When it Counts" -

The fact stands on its own - doesn't matter why he is even on the floor "When it Counts", but that since he is (as are 9 other players in any game - regardless of why they are there at that moment, or whether they deserve to be), he will be one of the very best AT THAT TIME.

Peter, do you argue that Manu is a top player "When it Counts"? - Or are you just going to keep screaming about FIBA rules & other times when "It doesn't Count"?

Sure, Manu excels when he is on a team that's in the Finals due to TD and also due to the fact that TD is the primary focal point for an opposing defense.

[Peter]

This is a "discussion"? Uh, no. It was a discussion until you decided that it needed to be a pissing contest. After that, it turned into the spectacle of you making an ass of yourself.

Funny, you didn't bring any such discussion to this thread. I brought a dissenting opinion and instead of having anything resembling a reasoned response, you opted to flame away.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Sure, Manu excels when he is on a team that's in the Finals due to TD and also due to the fact that TD is the primary focal point for an opposing defense.

Hopeless

[smeagol]

So if Manu is playing with Chris Mihm as the team's primary low post threat, he's an All-Star and carrying that team to the NBA Finals?

Again with your argument of carrying the team to the finals, something I have never said.

If you replace TD with Mihm I guarantee you that the Spurs make the playoffs.

And yes, an injury free Manu in more than half of the teams in this league is an AS.

[Peter]

Hopeless

Yes, it is hopeless to argue that Manu isn't there due to that.